"Joseph Wilson is a proven liar."

Here we go shifting the focus from Rove to someone else. Af if Wilson's status (however accurate it is) as Pinocchio has anything to do with the investigation into whether Karl Rove committed a federal crime.

Another page from the Hannity book.

JP5, Wilson's neighbors KNEW that his wife worked in Government. What exactly does that mean? HMM..Government could mean a lot of things.

What they DID NOT KNOW was that she was a CIA Covert Operative working in WMD Intelligence.

They all knew Valerie Plame, wife of Ambassador Joe Wilson.
They did not know Valerie Plame was a CIA Operative.

Or maybe its too difficult for ya?

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Just the opposite: it was originally Wilson and his minions that tried to shift what happened here. First of all.....Wilson implied he was sent by Cheney: he was not. Secondly, Wilson said he found there was no evidence to support the charges that attempts had been made to purchase uranium from Niger: that was a lie. And thirdly, his so-called taxpayer funded trip to see old friends in Niger wasn't even an investigation. While he first implied he'd done an investigation.....he later had to admit he didn't even see any documents in question. He also later said he "misspoke" about several things he first said. Not to mention that the Joint Congressional investigation into this found that his report found just the opposite of what he later claimed: that an "attempt" had been made; but was rebuffed. And the claim was always about the attempt; nothing else.


So....the questions remain: who sent Wilson? Wilson was someone who was anti-war to start with and had his own agenda. So, who would send a biased person to "investigate?" He was also someone who didn't tell the truth about what he found....and didn't find.....in Niger.

Wilson and his liberal supporters has tried very hard to make it look like the WH was "out to get him." To "spin" it to their advantage. But the fact is......IF ANYTHING....his trip actually supported what Bush said in the State of the Union speech. There HAD been an "attempt."

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And??? Rove didn't say she was covert......or even know that she was covert. There are LOTS of jobs within the CIA that are NOT covert. I've known some people who had them.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

This is the article I recall reading in September of 2003....just after the Joseph Wilson flap began:


September 29, 2003, 10:22 a.m.
Spy Games
Was it really a secret that Joe Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA?

It's the top story in the Washington Post this morning as well as in many other media outlets. Who leaked the fact that the wife of Joseph C. Wilson IV worked for the CIA?


What also might be worth asking: "Who didn't know?"

I believe I was the first to publicly question the credibility of Mr. Wilson, a retired diplomat sent to Niger to look into reports that Saddam Hussein had attempted to purchase yellowcake uranium for his nuclear-weapons program.

On July 6, Mr. Wilson wrote an op-ed for the New York Times in which he said: "I have little choice but to conclude that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat."

On July 11, I wrote a piece for NRO arguing that Mr. Wilson had no basis for that conclusion — and that his political leanings and associations (not disclosed by the Times and others journalists interviewing him) cast serious doubt on his objectivity.

On July 14, Robert Novak wrote a column in the Post and other newspapers naming Mr. Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, as a CIA operative.

That wasn't news to me. I had been told that — but not by anyone working in the White House. Rather, I learned it from someone who formerly worked in the government and he mentioned it in an offhand manner, leading me to infer it was something that insiders were well aware of.
I chose not to include it (I wrote a second NRO piece on this issue on July 1 because it didn't seem particularly relevant to the question of whether or not Mr. Wilson should be regarded as a disinterested professional who had done a thorough investigation into Saddam's alleged attempts to purchase uranium in Africa.

What did appear relevant could easily be found in what the CIA would call "open sources." For example, Mr. Wilson had long been a bitter critic of the current administration, writing in such left-wing publications as The Nation that under President Bush, "America has entered one of it periods of historical madness" and had "imperial ambitions."

What's more, he was affiliated with the pro-Saudi Middle East Institute and he had recently been the keynote speaker for the Education for Peace in Iraq Center, a far-Left group that opposed not only the U.S. military intervention in Iraq but also the sanctions and the no-fly zones that protected Iraqi Kurds and Shias from being slaughtered by Saddam.

Mr. Wilson is now saying (on C-SPAN this morning, for example) that he opposed military action in Iraq because he didn't believe Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and he foresaw the possibility of a difficult occupation. In fact, prior to the U.S. invasion, Mr. Wilson told ABC's Dave Marash that if American troops were sent into Iraq, Saddam might "use a biological weapon in a battle that we might have. For example, if we're taking Baghdad or we're trying to take, in ground-to-ground, hand-to-hand combat."

Equally, important and also overlooked: Mr. Wilson had no apparent background or skill as an investigator. As Mr. Wilson himself acknowledged, his so-called investigation was nothing more than "eight days drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people" at the U.S. embassy in Niger. Based on those conversations, he concluded that "it was highly doubtful that any [sale of uranium from Niger to Iraq] had ever taken place."

That's hardly the same as disproving what British intelligence believed — and continues to believe: that Saddam Hussein was actively attempting to purchase uranium from somewhere in Africa. (Whether Saddam succeeded or not isn't the point; were Saddam attempting to make such purchases it would suggest that his nuclear-weapons-development program was active and ongoing.)

For some reason, this background and these questions have been consistently omitted in the Establishment media's reporting on Mr. Wilson and his charges.

There also remains this intriguing question: Was it primarily due to the fact that Mr. Wilson's wife worked for the CIA that he received the Niger assignment?

Mr. Wilson has said that his mission came about following a request from Vice President Cheney. But it appears that if Mr. Cheney made the request at all, he made it of the CIA and did not know Mr. Wilson and certainly did not specify that he wanted Mr. Wilson put on the case.

It has to be seen as puzzling that the agency would deal with an inquiry from the White House on a sensitive national-security matter by sending a retired, Bush-bashing diplomat with no investigative experience. Or didn't the CIA bother to look into Mr. Wilson's background?

If that's what passes for tradecraft in Langley, we're in more trouble than any of us have realized.

— Clifford D. May, a former New York Times foreign correspondent, is president of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, a policy institute focusing on terrorism."

http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may200309291022.asp

I think the much better question here for any reporter willing to venture there is...."Who within the CIA was running their own little show?"

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

...the fact that Wilson's stance is irrelevant to the investigation into whether Karl Rove committed a crime.
I know THAT hurts for you -- being unable to divert the case with heavy doses of partisan politics.

I'm amused at the article by Clifford May. As if his biased ramblings can "argue that Wilson has no basis for his conclusion."

And there is still the fact that the White House said the Niger claim was wrong and the statement should not have been included in the speech.
Ooh, now THAT hurts.

...but it won't work...

Ambassador Wilson has not been proven a liar, by ANYONE....

Rove outed his wife as revenge for Ambassador Wilson not only NOT agreeing with the fact fixing that was going on, but going on record as saying so...

Rove needs to be fired and prosecuted....

...he is found guilty of either "TREASON" or "PERJURY".. Easy, TB..Let PF finish his investigation first. Don't be like JP5..

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The last time this country mixed politics with religion, people got burned at the stake.

The NY Times knows the identity of the leak. One of their reporters is in jail because she refused to devulge the informant's name.

Are you suggesting a NY TImes reporter is in jail and The NY Times is refusing to devulge their source because their source is Karl Rove?

BTW, two of the authors of the bill being discussed relative to Rove being in possible violation of this law are both on record as saying, "no way."

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