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Old 07-13-2005, 10:59 AM
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Default Child Murderer/Molester Duncan

I was wondering how the residents of Minnesota feel about this one?

"He was released on $15,000 bail earlier this year in Becker County, Minn., after being charged with molesting a 6-year-old boy. Police in Fargo had been looking for him since he failed to check in with a probation agent there in May."

So.....Minnesota released Duncan who then went on to Idaho where he stalked a little girl and her brother, murdered their family with a shotgun and hammer so that he could kidnap the children. He eventually murdered the little boy and was found in Denny's with the little girl.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162417,00.html

The reason I ask is that I once argued with someone from Minnesota about Texas' judicial system and how it's too tough on criminals. (Her opinion) She liked Minnesota's way better.

So....when are all the states going to stop coddling these child sexual offenders???
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Default Exactly

It seems that sex offenders repeat their crimes over and over. And one that originally was convicted of rape at gunpoint should never be let out again, IMO.

And then to be released on parole aver a 2nd charge, is ridiculous. It SHOULD be taken into account that this is a 2nd charge and bail denied.

Sorry not to have sympathy for child sex offenders, but these are sick people who society needs to be protected from, by preventing their release back into society.
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Yeah. I'm waiting to see what Raytri says about it. I believe he's from Minnesota.
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Default Was it winter when he was released?

Maybe they did it thinking the weather would kill him.

$15K is ridiculous, he should have to put up well into six figures to even have a sniff of release.
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We continue to hear of this kind of thing happening over and over again. This is the kind of important stuff our legislators should be involving themselves in: cracking down with laws on these kinds of child predators. Instead of the political crapola they engage in......let's see them do something about this. IF enough people write them, call them.....become outraged, then maybe they'll listen. Maybe they'll do something to STOP turning these evil people back out onto our streets to hurt and kill more children.

The whole story of this guy sickens me.....including those who let him go. IF I lived in Minnesota I would be outraged at the Parole Board for letting this guy back out on the streets. I think in ALL states.....including mine.....we should buy houses by each of the parole board members...AND everyone they are releasing should be made to live on their street as THEIR neighbor for a period of one year. I'll just bet they would give it a whole lot more consideration. Don't you?
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Default All child molesters should be put into tanks of sewage.

The social liberals will call me a bigot but I heard that before. The only way to remove this type of filth from society is to dispose of it by recycling it the "natural" way.

All child molesters should be placed alive into the tanks of a sewage treatment plant. They will die by drowning and their bodies will join their closest relatives; bacteria. Eventually their bodies will be eaten up by their relatives, bacteria. After they are completely processed they become " natural lawn fertilizer".

I still prefer the fertilizer made by Scott's , but I like chemicals better than bacteria.
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Default All of us need to...

...contact our governors and tell them to pass the Jessica Lunsford law as Florida has and I believe 3 other states. It is a mandatory 25 years for the first offense and life for the second offense. This would not allow these liberal judges any discretion of the sentencing of this slime.

This is a perfect example why we need more conservative judges. Would you let your 6 year old play in your front yard unattended? Keep electing liberal judges and your kids won't be safe locked in your own house.
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$15K is ridiculous, he should have to put up well into six figures to even have a sniff of release.
The Star Tribune did a story on this aspect of the case. Registration is required, so here's the key parts of the article:

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In retrospect, it's easy to conclude that the $15,000 bail set
for Joseph E. Duncan III in a Minnesota courtroom last April was
too low to protect the public.

The Fargo man, a convicted rapist, was arrested July 2 in Idaho, where he is charged with kidnapping an 8-year-old girl and suspected of raping her and killing her family.

The case has many people questioning how Becker County authorities could have released Duncan on bail after he was charged in March with molesting a 6-year-old boy in Detroit Lakes, Minn., last July.

The answers aren't very comforting.

Even in the age of computers, experts say, judges and attorneys often have incomplete information about defendants when bail is set. And when it comes to getting information about defendants' records from other states - as was the case with Duncan - the problems multiply.

Even when they have detailed, up-to-date information in front of them, it's extremely hard for court officials to predict the future actions of a convicted criminal, said psychiatrist Carl Malmquist, who for years prepared defendant evaluations for Hennepin County judges.

The truth, he said, is that at most bail hearings, "the kind of data needed to assess a person to make those predictions is usually not available."

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Judge Thomas Schroeder and attorneys in the Becker County case knew that Duncan had served a lengthy prison sentence in Washington state for a sex crime years ago and that he was a registered sex offender.

But they weighed that against the fact that he was a dean's list student at North Dakota State University, held a steady job and had a clean record since leaving prison in 2000.

Yet, there was no mention in Schroeder's courtroom that Duncan had been classified as a Level 3 sex offender, considered the most likely to reoffend. Becker County Attorney Joe Evans said his office also did not know before making its bail recommendation last spring that Duncan was sent to prison in Washington state in 1982 because he failed sex offender treatment. That suggests Duncan was not dealing with the problems that led to his violent acts.

Evans said he was unaware of the details of Duncan's crime: that he raped and tortured a 14-year-old boy at gunpoint when he was just 16.

Just the same, Evans said, knowing that information probably would not have made any difference. (Schroeder referred all questions to the state court administrator's office.)

Duncan, Evans said, was charged with a crime - sexually touching a child without force -- for which the state's guidelines recommend a non-prison sentence even for someone with Duncan's record.

The county attorney also noted that his office asked for $25,000 bail and that the judge set bail at $15,000. Duncan posted $15,000 cash bail, which means that he had the money to get a much higher bail bond if the judge had set a higher amount to compel him to make his next court appearance.

And to prosecutors, Duncan appeared to have "made a successful adjustment" to life outside prison, Evans said.

(snip)

Whether they like it or not, judges and criminal lawyers are in the business of trying to predict the future dangerousness of offenders. The public expects it of them.

But experts say, and some prosecutors agree, that no one is very good at doing that part of the job. Studies indicate that judges, lawyers, psychologists and psychiatrists aren't very good at predicting an individual offender's odds of reoffending, Feld said.
Lots of things are clear in hindsight. And I think a growing body of evidence makes it clear that sex offenders are at high risk of relapse and should be treated very carefully.

But in the end, bail and sentencing decisions are made by weighing the facts in front of you and consulting sentencing guidelines. Unless we want to remove human judgment from the mix, all we can do is make sure the guidelines are as specific as possible, and that judges have as much information at their disposal as possible.
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Here is an idea...

No bail for sex offenders...

25 years mandatory sentence for first offense.

Triple blind citizen parole board... in other words, to get parole a sex offender has to go through three sets of parole boards put together from the ranks of possible jurists.

Death for a second offense.
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this judge had a lot of info in front of him. I think what we need to do is to tighten the guidelines when it comes to sex offenders. If you are convicted and later accused of a new offense there should be bail guidelines that require the judge to jump through hoops if he/she wants to go around those guidelines. This is happening FAR too often now.
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