2008 Starting Early

JP5 · #1 (**permalink**) 07-27-2005, 06:06 PM

Looks like both Senator John McCain and Gov. Pataki are getting ready.

Dear Hillary won't have a chance against either one of them...IMHO.

"NEW YORK (Reuters) - New York Republican Gov. George Pataki on Wednesday said he would not seek a fourth term, clearing the way for an expected run for the White House."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ccain_politics

"WASHINGTON - Sen. John McCain, often mentioned as a possible GOP presidential candidate in 2008, has reactivated his political action committee, known as Straight Talk America."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._nm/newyork_dc

MUNKO1970 · #2 (**permalink**) 07-27-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JP5";p=&quot

Looks like both Senator John McCain and Gov. Pataki are getting ready.

Dear Hillary won't have a chance against either one of them...IMHO.

"NEW YORK (Reuters) - New York Republican Gov. George Pataki on Wednesday said he would not seek a fourth term, clearing the way for an expected run for the White House."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ccain_politics

"WASHINGTON - Sen. John McCain, often mentioned as a possible GOP presidential candidate in 2008, has reactivated his political action committee, known as Straight Talk America."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._nm/newyork_dc

Neither Pataki or McCain has a chance.

McCain, who I have respected until now lost all credibility (at least with me) after his performance on Hardball last week (on the Rove issue).

IMHO!!

f100supersabr · #3 (**permalink**) 07-27-2005, 06:17 PM

munko1970 wrote

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McCain, who I have respected until now lost all credibility (at least with me) after his performance on Hardball last week (on the Rove issue).

Do you have a link on the McCCAIN story ? I have always been a fan of McCAIN and it woiuld pain me to find out that he did not stand up to the truth.

f100supersabr · #4 (**permalink**) 07-27-2005, 06:22 PM

Is there really a "Wife of Monica's Boyfriend for President Committee" formed out there ? What about the campaign process of the Wife of Monica's Boyfriend that she would serve the people of New York State ?

Was that just as hollow as her being a New York Yankees fan when she was from the Chicago area that had two baseball teams ?

Oh my !!! did the Wife of Monica's Boyfriend tell a lie ? Oh my Oh my !!

MUNKO1970 · #5 (**permalink**) 07-27-2005, 06:22 PM

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munko1970 wrote

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McCain, who I have respected until now lost all credibility (at least with me) after his performance on Hardball last week (on the Rove issue).

Do you have a link on the McCCAIN story ? I have always been a fan of McCAIN and it woiuld pain me to find out that he did not stand up to the truth.

MSNBC.COM and look up Hardball transcripts from last week. I am not sure about the dates so it will take a while.

Also, check out ABC This Week with George Stephanopolous. (I don't know if they have transcripts. I am sure they do)

You can also go to crooksand liars.com for the video of the segment and you can listen or watch the segment while he evades and covers for the White House and Rove.

barney-fife · #6 (**permalink**) 07-27-2005, 06:47 PM

Rest assured...Hillbillary is filling in a tunnel, building a bridge, and may even join Jane in driving around the country in her vegetable oil powered bus. Yes, there will be expansion bridges reaching across to the disenfranchised, 18-wheelers carrying cargos of hope, and all sorts of Corpse of Engineer metaphors as Hillbillary drives her way across the nation. We are so fortunate to have the smartest woman in America as a candidate for President.

MUNKO1970 · #7 (**permalink**) 07-27-2005, 06:57 PM

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Rest assured... We are so fortunate to have the smartest woman in America as a candidate for President.

..even though she has NOT said she is running.

But I am glad you admit she is the "smartest woman" in America..

The12thMan · #8 (**permalink**) 07-27-2005, 07:13 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8666472/

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MATTHEWS: But we do know on the record that the vice president raised that question with the CIA. Subsequent to him raising the question about this Niger possibility of the uranium, because of the story that ran in the Italian press or whatever, he said, check this out. They checked it out.

Why do you think they never came back and told him they found out there was nothing there after the Plame—after the Wilson trip?

MCCAIN: Perhaps—I don't know the—these inner workings. We're getting into minutia that I don't know anything about.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: But if you raised a question with the CIA...

MCCAIN: Yes. Right. OK.

MATTHEWS: ... they would come back to you with a response.

MCCAIN: My response is, the British stood by their conclusion that there had been contacts between Saddam Hussein's people and Niger concerning yellow cake. I am sure that's one of the reasons why—that—that this—the credibility of this charge lasted as long as it did. But I also understand why it was said, look, that we shouldn't have had that in there because we didn't have incontrovertible proof.

MATTHEWS: You are known to have a higher ethical standard than most politicians.

MCCAIN: I hope.

MATTHEWS: That's a fact.

MCCAIN: But...

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: I want to know what your ethical standard would be here if it is shown that somebody in the White House, the vice president's staff or somebody on the president's staff, whoever they are, intentionally leaked an undercover agent's identity as a way of either just pushing them back or punishing them, whatever the motive. Do you think the standard should be, did they break a criminal act or not?

MCCAIN: I don't know, because it depends on—look, I can't be the president of the United States. I trust this president. I believe that he will do the right thing.

And, right now, the status of this situation is, is that Karl Rove still publicly denies that he did leak this name, OK. And I believe he has the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. And, again, as we said earlier in our conversation, he was trying to refute allegations that Ambassador Wilson made that turned out not to be true. And he knew they were not true. Well, I'm talking about Karl Rove knew they were not true.

MATTHEWS: OK. Let's talking about...

MCCAIN: Because the vice president did not send Ambassador Wilson to Niger.

MATTHEWS: No, but he raised the question to the CIA.

MCCAIN: And Mr.—Ambassador Wilson said that the vice president did.

MATTHEWS: OK.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Right.

MCCAIN: Yes. Yes.

MATTHEWS: But he did raise the question, and the CIA sent somebody down to check on it.

MCCAIN: He did say that.

MATTHEWS: Nobody ever said he authorized the trip. They said that—

I thought Wilson's argument was that the vice president raised the question about this purchase of uranium ore from the government of Niger.

MCCAIN: My understanding...

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: And the CIA then subsequently sent Wilson down there to check it out.

MCCAIN: My understanding is that Wilson intimated that it was the vice president that sent him there.

MATTHEWS: Well, that's a hard case to make.

What's the big deal, Munko?

f100supersabr · #9 (**permalink**) 07-27-2005, 07:23 PM

McCain - on MATTHEWS I think that John McCAIN is being the "good" soldier regarding the Plame leak.

At least he is not being an RNC Parrot and saying that there was no leak or that Plame never actually worked for the CIA, or that she was only a receptionist.

amepro · #10 (**permalink**) 07-27-2005, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JP5";p=&quot

Looks like both Senator John McCain and Gov. Pataki are getting ready.

http://www.nypress.com/18/26/pagetwo/newshole4.cfm
Source: New York Press

I wonder if the "FORTUNATE SON" story will come up if Pataki does run.

"With supreme guts and righteousness, President Bush went into Iraq," Gov. Pataki told the Republican National Convention last August. The place erupted with applause. It was all very stirring.

Almost one year later, Pataki's son Teddy is, with supreme guts and righteousness, seeking a three-year law school deferment from the Marines, which last week commissioned the recent Yale grad as a second lieutenant.

The governor, who himself received a medical deferment during the Vietnam War because of poor eyesight, has said he hopes his son is granted the deferment."

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