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Old 08-03-2005, 07:10 PM
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Default Man holding daughter shot in apparent road rage in MA

site = http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/03/roa....ap/index.html

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BROCKTON, Massachusetts (AP) -- A man lifting his infant daughter out of his car was killed in an apparent case of road rage by a motorist "who obviously exploded" and shot him four times at close range in front of dozens of witnesses, authorities said.
The victim's 10-month-old girl was covered with blood but uninjured when police found her in a car seat on the floor of the vehicle.

Bishop told investigators he was driving his wife to the train station when Andrade's vehicle backed toward him on Main Street, Cruz said. The two exchanged heated words.
"He said his wife was scared, and he said he was angry at that encounter," Cruz said of Bishop. "He said he made up his mind right there that he had to do something."

Police said Bishop has a valid handgun license.

Well, here we go again !! The anti-gun freaks will be out in force and wanting to ban all guns. The other bad thing that will happen is that the idiot killer will blame his actions not on himself but on the "medication" he is taking for depression. Well idiot you got a lot to be depressed about now.

The real real bad thing that will happen now is that the liberal judges and juries in Massachusetts will most likely let him go free or with very little punishment. The idiot will then sue the drug company and get a whole lot of money.

And somewhere in Massachusetts a little girl will be growing up without a father.
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I guess he got his gun license when he was a security guard. Depression my foot. The guy planned it ahead of time, dropped his wife off and came back, waiting til the guy was busy getting his baby out of the car and then ambushing him. To me, that doesn't even qualify as road rage. Road rage is a heat of the moment thing.

Sewage. I don't care what the victim did, the killer is sewage.
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What are u talking about, f100supersabr? The man killed two people. He's going to be put into jail just like everyone else is.
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You know, I like guns. They're fun to shoot. I grew up hunting. I joined the Army.

But regardless of where you stand on guns, you have to admit that if this guy didn't have access to one (in particular, if he didn't have it in the car), the father would still be alive.

I'm not saying we should ban guns. But I think we have to admit that, whatever the arguments in favor of unbridled gun ownership, one consequence of our gun culture is that innocent people die, either in pointless incidents like this or in accidents in the home.

And I think it's worth asking how much carnage we're willing to accept in order to preserve that gun culture. And if there are reasonable steps we can take to reduce that carnage.

The philosophical counterargument is that gun ownership is a right, and the only real guarantee of liberty. Okay. But that doesn't mean we can't put limitations on it in order to reduce casualties.

The practical counterargument is that guns prevent far more deaths and injuries and crime than they cause. Maybe. But first we should prove that, and then there still might be reasonable steps we can take to reduce the damage.

There will always be incidents. But if it turns out that reasonable restrictions on gun ownership and use could have prevented this tragedy, then I think this man's death is a pretty high price to pay.
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You know, I like guns. They're fun to shoot. I grew up hunting. I joined the Army.

But regardless of where you stand on guns, you have to admit that if this guy didn't have access to one (in particular, if he didn't have it in the car), the father would still be alive.

I'm not saying we should ban guns. But I think we have to admit that, whatever the arguments in favor of unbridled gun ownership, one consequence of our gun culture is that innocent people die, either in pointless incidents like this or in accidents in the home.

And I think it's worth asking how much carnage we're willing to accept in order to preserve that gun culture. And if there are reasonable steps we can take to reduce that carnage.

The philosophical counterargument is that gun ownership is a right, and the only real guarantee of liberty. Okay. But that doesn't mean we can't put limitations on it in order to reduce casualties.

The practical counterargument is that guns prevent far more deaths and injuries and crime than they cause. Maybe. But first we should prove that, and then there still might be reasonable steps we can take to reduce the damage.

There will always be incidents. But if it turns out that reasonable restrictions on gun ownership and use could have prevented this tragedy, then I think this man's death is a pretty high price to pay.
Actually, if this fellow did not have a gun, he would have ran over the man AND his daughter as opposed to just shooting the father.

The article in question does not mention it... but I read on the democratic underground yesterday that this scum rammed the car and shot the father through the open window... Without a gun, the old bastige would have just used his car.
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"Authorities said Bishop dropped his wife at an MBTA station, then spotted Andrade's maroon Isuzu Rodeo in front of a downtown employment office. He swerved his Chevy Blazer across traffic and rammed into the driver's side door of Andrade's car, witnesses told police."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...ds_in_tragedy/


This scum didn't need a gun to do what he did... He intended to kill this guy by any means possible.
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Actually, if this fellow did not have a gun, he would have ran over the man AND his daughter as opposed to just shooting the father.
Not sure how that would have worked. He rammed the driver's side door as is. To run them both over he would have had to drive up on the sidewalk or something.

But like I said, there will always be incidents. Still, it seems logical to me that if we reduce the availability of guns -- in supply, location and use -- then we reduce the number of incidents like this that prove fatal.

The trick is finding reasonable restrictions that accomplish that goal without unduly hampering gun ownership or self-defense.
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Here's another MA road rage shooting on the same day:

http://www.thedailyitemoflynn.com/ne...articleid=9764
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Actually, if this fellow did not have a gun, he would have ran over the man AND his daughter as opposed to just shooting the father.
Not sure how that would have worked. He rammed the driver's side door as is. To run them both over he would have had to drive up on the sidewalk or something.

But like I said, there will always be incidents. Still, it seems logical to me that if we reduce the availability of guns -- in supply, location and use -- then we reduce the number of incidents like this that prove fatal.

The trick is finding reasonable restrictions that accomplish that goal without unduly hampering gun ownership or self-defense.
Spin it how you like Ray... This is not about gun control.

If the murderer was willing to wait as long as he did to strike... You seriously think it would have been hard for him to wait 10 seconds more? He took down the fellow's liscense plate number and waited until he had a chance to ram the car. Without a gun, the man murdered will still be murdered... like that lady in Texas who ran over her husband repeatedly.

This ain't about guns chief... it is about murder.
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Hey look, here is a story of a kid killed because he was chased! Let's regulate and/or ban running shoes!!

http://start.earthlink.net/article/n...715-2101509425

" 12-year-old boy who was firing bottle rockets at cars was chased into traffic Friday by an angry driver and killed by another car, authorities said."
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