Their And Our… Tears


Most of politic-concerned people are now tracing the Israeli draw-out of Gaza strip, noting what is called the Israeli strength against the extreme settlers.

We all saw their claimed tears while pulling them out of the land, and some of us felt sorry for them, and admired the soldiers strength against settlers and their headiness.

But returning to the routs of this conflict, back to 5/6/1967, or even to 14/5/1948, or maybe before that time, before the Diaspora, before the establishment of what is called “Israel”, whose land was this for? Was there any thing called Israel? Was there any thing called Gaza strip?

In fact all “Israel”, or what is in fact Palestine, was a Palestinian land, belongs to Palestinians, belongs to a history of thousands of years.

No need for tears settlers, I do not even know why are these tears for? This land is not yours, and even if you occupied this land for 38 years, this will not change the fact that this land is a Palestinian one, and history showed that the land will return to its owners one day.

In 1948 more than 900000 Palestinian civilians were forced to leave their land, 900000 person became refugees, in what was left of Palestine, (West Bank and Gaza Strip), and the surrounding Arabic countries.

That time, Palestinian cried and cried, but no one –seriously- heard their wail, no one noticed their tears, no one cared about returning them to their land.

So, let us judge logically on this issue, who are the owners of this land, who are supposed to be happy, and who are supposed to be sad, do not forget that a big punch of them (leavers) are going to another settlements in the West Bank or Jerusalem.

And do not forget that some “Israeli” mass media mentioned that some of the settlers whom you are seeing fighting the soldiers who are “doing their job” had already received the keys of their new settlement houses, and they accepted that, others left the settlements several days before the recent events, and others told the soldiers to carry them out violencely to show the world that “they love their land that God promised them to give”, and without that force they would stay in Gaza for ever.


Now It Is Your Time To Judge

The Israelis can make the same claim. I suppose if you really want to go back to the original inhabitants, I would have to say give it to the Canaanites, except there aren't any.

There was a country called Palestine that owned the land? When was this?

Would this be after the armies of Egypt, Transjordan (now Jordan), Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq joined Arab guerillas on a full-scale attack on Israel?

Maybe that's because they were offered their own state about the same time Israel was, but they refused. Makes it hard to sympathize.

Would this be a bad time to mention that the bulk of what are called "Palestinian Arabs" are members of families who migrated into the Land of Israel beginning in the late 19th century?

wow merlin. what did they say? i'm trying to imagine if americans wouldn't refuse if russians would offer americans a state in Ohio

That would be the case of a sovereign nation being asked to give up it own land. In 1947, Palestinian Arabs had no sovereign nation. The land being given to them by the U.N. would have been a vast improvement over what they had, which was nothing.

Merlin, this is a jewish legend. you probably think that american indians also did not exist. of course many palestinians ran away after being terrorised. theres animals, and the human animals have propaganda to cover their animal acts. and you (like many) buy into that.

Actually, its not a legend. Palestine was owned by the UK, read it up in a book. The Arabs were offered a country. Instead, the middle east declared war on the Jews. Tough luck, to the victor go the spoils. I just wish the Israelis had kicked out all the Arabs in the first place right form the start.

I would say, that the only enduring principle for the land ownership is that the people own the land they live on..

Jewish owned the land before the Roman Empire started the last diaspora.. It should be considered as a crime.. Similarly the palestinians and indians owned their lands, before they were expelled.. These actions were also morally wrong..

Still, the historical right for the land ownership is a little questionable.. If we accept some eternal right for some enthinicity, culture or religion for a land, their ancestrals lived on, we should consider the following case. If a Neanderthal would be resurrected through bio- and genetechinical means, he would own whole Europe. Similarly, if a Homo Erectus would be resurrected, he would own both Eurasia and Africa..

I suppose that the only enduring practice with the land ownership is trying to prevent the stealing of land as it happens.. Still, it should be considered as a crime, which will obsolete with time.. This already for the practical reasons.. If crimes are not forgiven and forgotten, the amount of injustice tend to accumulate to enormous heights - untolerable for any juridical or moral system..

- BtD

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Like I said before - generally - the people occupying the land, should own the land.. Were the a sovereign nation or not, is not important, and solely a game with semantics..

- BtD

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well there goes the printer

I have been looking on a world globe and can't seem to find the country of Palestine.

And another question is, since the Palestinians are equally supported by all the Arab nations, why haven't they helped get the Palestinians to establish a fruitful economy to relieve their economic blight?

And if I can remember correctly, wasn't it the Syrians that put the Palestinians in the camps that they live in?

Just curious...

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