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Old 09-22-2005, 06:45 AM
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Sounds good to me, I hope they follow through and can get it approved.

http://www.boston.com/news/weather/a...e_a_gop_split/

Yesterday, the Republican Study Committee, a group of more than 100 conservative House members, say they have compiled a package of proposed cuts that would save the federal government more than $139 billion next year. It calls for eliminating subsidies for public broadcasting and Amtrak, and for sharply limiting foreign aid, among a wide range of other proposals.

Even some of President Bush's most cherished priorities are coming under scrutiny. The committee wants to kill Bush's idea to send manned spacecraft to the moon and Mars and cut the ''Millennium Challenge Accounts" the president wants as rewards for nations that make strides toward economic and personal freedom.

And a growing number of Republicans are asking for a one-year delay in implementing the new Medicare prescription drug benefit, which would begin Jan. 1. The delay would save the federal government about $30 billion in 2006, money that some Republicans say would be better spent on rebuilding New Orleans and the Gulf Coast.
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How charming. Using Katrina as an excuse to target all of their favorite hobby horses.

So we can cut taxes and borrow hundreds of billions of dollars to pay for the invasion of Iraq. But a natural disaster comes along and the solution is to cut just about every program other than entitlements and defense.

Here's an idea: raise taxes. There are about 150 million individual filers. $300 a year per would yield $45 billion. $400 a year would raise $60 billion.
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Raising taxes is the worst thing we could do. Want to stop any chance of economic recover? Rasie Taxes.

I like the idea of cutting out the pork. There's more pork they can cut. Each Senator....including Republican Senators....loaded the Transportation bill with "pork." And that's exactly what we should do. If you cut the pork from each political party, they'll have no reason to complain. They could do a 15% or 20% reduction across the board in all new pork and see what they would give them. Then go deeper if needed. I love that idea!!!

As far as delaying the prescription drug program one year........I'd try to cut it elsewhere first. But I've already figured out what my in-laws will save under the plan....and it comes to $416 per year. I don't believe that's going to kill them to dealy getting that savings for one year....IF it becomes necessary.

Also, I think we should look at our donations overseas. It's nice to help out other countries....but we've got our own set of catastrophies here that we need to tend to first. I'm not saying cut it out totally....but cutting back for a couple of years is warranted.
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Raising taxes is the worst thing we could do. Want to stop any chance of economic recover? Rasie Taxes.
Uh-huh. $300 per family per year will wreck the recovery. Sure.

And that's an *average*. Wealthy people will pay more, poor people will pay less. This is not a recovery-stopping amount.

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I like the idea of cutting out the pork. There's more pork they can cut. Each Senator....including Republican Senators....loaded the Transportation bill with "pork." And that's exactly what we should do.
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As far as delaying the prescription drug program one year........I'd try to cut it elsewhere first.
The prescription benefit is hideously expensive to begin with. Plus, it's easier all around to cut a benefit that hasn't kicked in yet than it is to cut a benefit people are already receiving.

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Also, I think we should look at our donations overseas. It's nice to help out other countries....but we've got our own set of catastrophies here that we need to tend to first. I'm not saying cut it out totally....but cutting back for a couple of years is warranted.
BS. We are in a "global struggle against terrorism", remember? Foreign aid is a crucial part of that. We should be *increasing* it, not cutting back.
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Default Lesson number one.

When you are in a hole. STOP DIGGING.

It's time to reclaim the gifts given to the rich, stop corporate welfare, and re-work the pork-laden Transportation Bill, starting with that bloody stupid bridge in Alaska....
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"Gifts given to the rich???" You mean....their OWN money? You DO realize, don't you, that the top 20% pay 80% of the taxes. And the top 50% pay 96.3% of the taxes?

And my husband has worked for several huge companies and he says he hasn't any idea who you are talking about when you claim corporations don't pay any taxes. Because all the ones he ever worked for paid a huge amount of taxes. NOT to mention they do a lot of great philanthropic things for their communities.

And allowing the so-called "rich" to keep more of their own hard-earned money....means more businesses and more employees and more investing in the communities.
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Raising taxes is the worst thing we could do. Want to stop any chance of economic recover? Rasie Taxes.

I like the idea of cutting out the pork. There's more pork they can cut.
First, empirical evidence shows you are wrong. Clinton raised taxes and had the was followed with years of economic boom. Maybe the super yacht market for the maga rich will sink, but I don't really care about that.

Yes, there is lots of wastefull spending and unneccasary spending. In the military especially. Star wars still needs to be cut.

And if the country was not paying $350 BILLION in interest alone this year, there would be plenty of money without raising taxes or cutting programs. But you see, Reagan and Bush Sr and Bush Jr have already borrowed trillions and now when a little deficit spending is needed for an emergancy, we, the richest country in the world, can't afford it because we, are also the largest debtor country in the world.
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"Gifts given to the rich???" You mean....their OWN money? You DO realize, don't you, that the top 20% pay 80% of the taxes. And the top 50% pay 96.3% of the taxes?

And my husband has worked for several huge companies and he says he hasn't any idea who you are talking about when you claim corporations don't pay any taxes. Because all the ones he ever worked for paid a huge amount of taxes. NOT to mention they do a lot of great philanthropic things for their communities.

And allowing the so-called "rich" to keep more of their own hard-earned money....means more businesses and more employees and more investing in the communities.
...true to form with the knee-jerk talking points...

..it's almost Pavlovian...!!!
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Default Tax increases are unncessary

There is plenty of pork in government and an entire hog's worth is listed above. They should cut everything listed above and also delve into the energy plan and postpone the pharma plan as well. Feeding the hog only gets him more fat, it's time to trim and make government more efficient and spend money only where necessary. Not throw more money at it and increase the inefficiency.
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Default Wow!! I agree with Rebellion...we should cut out what...

..isn't necessary...

Let's start with the Iraqi occupation shall we?

None of the reasons (lies) given prior to the illegal invasion have come to fruition, we aren't wanted (except by Halliburton) so let's leave, and save ourselves $5 billion a month...

Great idea!!!
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