Thread: Debate: Israel – victim or aggressor?

Originally Posted by The Third Man

Well I used a scholarly source and you used a bunch of zionist websites and the Israeli government who are proven liars through out all their history.That is pretty funny but if you want to believe rubbish websites then go right a head.

You used an artical by someone that's off base. And as far as I'm concerned so are you. I said to disprove wiki and you didn't even try to respond. That means to me that you can't. I used some Israeli sites but not all. And again, I asked for proof that wiki was mistaken and you completely ignored it. Not one of you so called "Scholarly" types that take exception to wiki have yet to prove wiki wrong. I wonder why that is???

Originally Posted by The Third Man

The interview is a detailed report into the start of the 1967 war and it certainly refutes your claims that it was defensive. You should have read it,it is very interesting but you prefer to get your info from mythsandfacts.com.

Myths and facts (The Jewish Library) is very accurate, they have to be. As are the Arab sites. The only thing to be wary of is the spin that each side imparts to their information. BTW, I know the events leading up to the war by rote, its my business to know it. However the way I read the history that both sides give freely its obvious who was the instigator and who caused the war. That would be the Arabs. You probably did not read any of my replies especially where I said that technically Israel swung first. I also said not to do so would have been suicide! So sorry, I am a realist.

What the pacifists perceives as a wrong is survival in the real world sometimes. (the world sided with Israel just after the war, what the world was angry about was that Israel did not give anything but the Sinai back.)_

reva

Originally Posted by RevAnarchist

A scholarly source?

reva

Yes a PHD in political science pretty much trumps your mythsandfacts.com.

Originally Posted by beenthere

You used an artical by someone that's off base. is???

He is only off base to you and other zionists. The guys books are critically acclaimed and he is a professor. Now if you want to believe zionism-israel.com and not a scholarly source then that is up to you.

Originally Posted by RevAnarchist

Myths and facts (The Jewish Library) is very accurate,

reva

It is not very accurate at all. It is a joke website. Please read some scholarly works on the subject. I am not going back and forth with you lot all day. I have presented a scholarly source and you lot are relying on some zionist websites. That says it all to me.

Originally Posted by The Third Man

Sorry happens to be the truth which has been researched by a professor of political science and does not come from some zionist made up history website. Can you actually see the difference here? I am using a scholarly source and you are using websites called zionism-israel.com.

I read your artical. And being a professor doesn't mean squat to me. Timothy Leary was also a professor and another nut case to boot. Ernesto Bustamante was another professor, the sheep skin means nothing.

But go ahead and defend the Arabs;

http://avpv.tripod.com/AmericanVictims.html

I will NOT!!!

Originally Posted by The Third Man

Yes a PHD in political science pretty much trumps your mythsandfacts.com.

Not hardly!

Originally Posted by The Third Man

He is only off base to you and other zionists. The guys books are critically acclaimed and he is a professor. Now if you want to believe zionism-israel.com and not a scholarly source then that is up to you.

Zionist??? Hummmm, since when were a mixture of German, Scott, and English Zionist???

Hey, Timothy Leary was critically acclimed by the collage doppers of the 60's also, now wasn't he.

Originally Posted by The Third Man

It is not very accurate at all. It is a joke website. Please read some scholarly works on the subject. I am not going back and forth with you lot all day. I have presented a scholarly source and you lot are relying on some zionist websites. That says it all to me.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/article.aspx?g=41111

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1993321/posts

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pa...an-Attacks.htm

http://www.lebanese-forces.org/leban...ents/cairo.htm

All "Zionist" websites, right???

Originally Posted by beenthere

Nassar kicked the U.N. peace keepers out on May 18, 1967 so HOW could your dear Indar Jit Rikhye know anything when he wasn't there????
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You are incorrect. They were still there at the start of the war. Have a read.



His most famous test came in Gaza in 1967, just before the six-day war between Egypt and Israel. General Rikhye, then commander of the United Nations Emergency Force, was asked by the Egyptians to withdraw from the buffer zone where, for a while, UN peacekeepers had been preserving calm. Unflustered, he played for time; and when Israel launched its attack on Egypt, the peacekeepers were caught in the middle. Several were killed; the HQ was destroyed by shelling; the tyres were shot out on their military jeeps, and only by bumping on the hubs could they flee to the beach at Gaza to radio for rescue. “We are not fighting anybody”, General Rikhye told New York, via Cyprus, “but we are under fire.” A peacekeeper's life.

http://www.economist.com/node/9298508