Thread: Is Taxation Theft?

Originally Posted by Taxpayer

Then you're using the wrong word. If you want to discuss natural rights rather than civil ones, if you want to present a moral question rather than a legal one, don't use the word theft.

We can use whatever the hell words you want. However, what is the purpose of discussing whether taxation is legal or not? The state dictates both legality and taxation. That question is moot before it is asked.

If you're argument now is purely semantic, I would never rescind the claim that one needs no legislation to define the linguistic concept of "theft". The law only defines it to assign it a normative compensational value. In fact, the etymology of the word thief comes from Proto Indo-European *teup - "to crouch down". It is merely a concept of someone who sneaks (with the obvious intent to steal).

Originally Posted by Taxpayer

Nothing was stolen from society, society sold the land. The government, which is the representative and agent of the people, deeded that property into private ownership. Now you can argue that society, who claimed that land and natural resources for Americans without any real authority to do so might have done something wrong. But it would be silly for American society to claim something was stolen from them after aggressively seeking folks to settle here and even providing deeds of sale to document the legal transfer of the lands.

Government allows property rights that is why it has the authority to take a portion of those property rights in the form of taxation

Therefore the property owner cannot claim taxes are theft because private ownership is a luxury provided by government and the product of their labors can be taken whenever the people want government to redistibute wealth from legal theives (property owners) to the poor.

In conclusion property owners engage in theft if they believe they have ownership because their land ultimately belongs to society and it is just being rented from the government

Originally Posted by BleedingHeadKen

And you consider that government ownership of human beings is a good thing?
Color me surprised.

Yes Government ownership is subjective to the majorities will and if we make an enemy of the minority wealthy elite we can legally confiscate the product of their labors with taxation.

The way the system is we allow the wealthy to get rich under republican leadership then take it away under democratic leadership and this becomes a cycle so that the tree is always able to bare fruits of someone elses labor to the needy.

Originally Posted by liberalminority

Yes Government ownership [of human beings] is subjective to the majorities will and if we make an enemy of the minority wealthy elite we can legally confiscate the product of their labors with taxation.

The way the system is we allow the wealthy to get rich under republican leadership then take it away under democratic leadership and this becomes a cycle so that the tree is always able to bare fruits of someone elses labor to the needy.

Not even a real liberal would write that.

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Originally Posted by jemcgarvey

We can use whatever the hell words you want. However, what is the purpose of discussing whether taxation is legal or not?

It's the topic of the thread.

Funny how so many believe taxation is theft - especially those from the far right who call themselves "Christian". These people should read their own Bible so that they can learn what is required of them in order to gain their stairway to heaven:

Romans 13

Submission to Governing Authorities

1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God ... Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue ...



PAY YOUR TAXES!

Originally Posted by Mr_Truth

Funny how so many believe taxation is theft - especially those from the far right who call themselves "Christian". These people should read their own Bible so that they can learn what is required of them in order to gain their stairway to heaven:

Romans 13

Submission to Governing Authorities

1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God ... Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue ...



PAY YOUR TAXES!

Who is suggesting not paying taxes?

Originally Posted by Taxpayer

[INDENT]Not even a real liberal would write that.

It is quite rational to assume taxation is related to government ownership of human beings because it confiscates the product of their labors.

But even though that may be true taxation does not have to be a negative

Originally Posted by hiimjered;

Who is suggesting not paying taxes?

The premise indicated by the OP is that taxation is theft. On that basis, one may suppose that he is suggesting that by not paying them one is engaged in averting robbery. However, many on the right in this forum call themselves "good Christians". As such, according to their Bible they are obligated to pay their taxes.

Interestingly, yesterday I saw an interview with a "sovereign" ~ that is a right winger who hates government ~ that was a southern preacher in Alabama. He said taxation is theft and ungodly. Had he bothered to actually read his Bible, he would learn that he is wrong.

Originally Posted by liberalminority

Government allows property rights that is why it has the authority to take a portion of those property rights in the form of taxation

Therefore the property owner cannot claim taxes are theft because private ownership is a luxury provided by government and the product of their labors can be taken whenever the people want government to redistibute wealth from legal theives (property owners) to the poor.

In conclusion property owners engage in theft if they believe they have ownership because their land ultimately belongs to society and it is just being rented from the government

As if u rent your own belongings why don't axe gubbmint if you can keep your

I pad or laptop or desktop since it all belongs too society why don't u just give yours back

If it all belongs too society then what it the objective too work to acquire whatever form
Of exchange people trade in for compensation

Why must it all belong to society ...if then sobeit all too society does anything require
trade the government isn't sole proprietor over all things

This theory wreaks of north korean and marxist stinch
the government doesn't own or create anything it takes by the threat of force
with unbridled power too which extent is just only too the degree of the people

Governments have a monoply on all power until the people say no more