Thread: That abortion is morally acceptable.

Originally Posted by MisLed

too late. you should have proofread.

I did proofread. Obviously not well enough. Well its not to bad - unless you are a complete idiot, you'd see it was a typo.

nope. you show you're a complete idiot when you don't proofread.

nope. you show you're a complete idiot when you don't proofread. Sorry. but for such a stupid little mistake i just cannot in all seriousness....take you seriously.

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

Yes, totally.

ps. I agree about Michael Moore.

So technically abortion is murder. I believe you quoted a post from the original thread that abortion was ok because the fetus couldnt object, well neither can a murder victim if its murdered before they have knowledge of them about to die.

P.S. thanks, i originally wanted to use rosie o donnel as an example, however i figure that shes more akin to a pig or a heffer

Originally Posted by MisLed

nope. you show you're a complete idiot when you don't proofread.

Let me guess, this means you cant possibly debate me?

Originally Posted by Thinker

So technically abortion is murder.

What do you mean? If you mean, abortion is the killing of a human being, then yes.

Originally Posted by Thinker

I believe you quoted a post from the original thread that abortion was ok because the fetus couldnt object, well neither can a murder victim if its murdered before they have knowledge of them about to die.

That was not my argument. Try again. My justification is not that they cannot object rather that they dont care at all in the first place - they have no concept of their own existence. This is BEFORE abortion is carried out. I dont see how your "a murder victim if its murdered before they have knowledge of them about to die" is in any way a fair example, assuming the murder victim is a being with self-awareness and consciousness.

Originally Posted by Thinker

P.S. thanks, i originally wanted to use rosie o donnel as an example, however i figure that shes more akin to a pig or a heffer

LOL

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

Let me guess, this means you cant possibly debate me?

won't. I worry about you people though. This abortion issue is a real problem for you if one goes by the number of topics you all start on it. Nothings gonna change.

by the way. Have you any experience with abortions? had one or your girlfriend had one? of course you don't have to answer but it just makes me wonder why you keep defending it.

Originally Posted by MegadethFan

What do you mean? If you mean, abortion is the killing of a human being, then yes.


That was not my argument. Try again. My justification is not that they cannot object rather that they dont care at all in the first place - they have no concept of their own existence. This is BEFORE abortion is carried out. I dont see how your "a murder victim if its murdered before they have knowledge of them about to die" is in any way a fair example, assuming the murder victim is a being with self-awareness and consciousness.


LOL

Well a murder victim doesnt care if its going to die randomly, because it doesnt know its going to die, however if you tell them they are going to die they abject. You can compare this to a fetus, because they do not know they are going to die. However the difference between the two is that if the unknowing victim is murdered the criminal is still charged, but if the fetus/baby is murdered, its considered legal. I accually believe abortion is reasonible to a point, but not beyond that point. Im just debating for fun.

The idea that a fetus has no interest in its own life assumes facts that have not been entered into evidence and which can be logically disproved.

The "interest in life" to which you refer is nothing more than a fear of death/pain/suffering experienced by all sentient beings. Even the simplest of multi-celled organisms will attempt to flee a perceived danger. That a creature does not want to "die" is no more a sign of intellect than an amoeba's ability to procreate via mitosis.

If by "interest in life" you mean the ability to contemplate the reality and meaning of one's existence then your universe of people eligible for "moral" termination grows to include small children, the mentally ill and disabled, elderly people suffering from dementia and any number of people for whom the meaning of life and death does not exist.

The purpose of all living things from the simplest single cell organisms to the most complex animals is identical. To survive and reproduce.

As social animals humans survive by creating social groups to birth, protect, and raise the young. As such, the entire social group has an interest in the survival of every fetus and the fetus itself has a biological interest in its own survival.

Additionally:

You propose to know what a fetus is or is not thinking without introducing any evidence to support the claim. That a baby, immediately upon birth seeks both air and food demonstrates its interest in its own survival even if it does not demonstrate an understanding of the meaning, at least in your view, of that survival.

The foundation of your argument is flawed therefore the conclusion is faulty.

Morality is always relative. If killing is wrong why is killing a cow or even a celery plant for dinner OK? If lying is wrong why is Santa clause OK?

I happen to believe abortion is immoral.

The fact that I would not force that belief on anyone nor would I support the government enforcing my particular view on anyone does not change the morality of the action.

To make the claim that abortion, except to save the woman's life, is moral is, in itself, amoral.

Originally Posted by MisLed

won't.

Why wont you? Because of one typo? That's the weakest cop out I've heard in ages, possibly ever.

Originally Posted by MisLed

I worry about you people though. This abortion issue is a real problem for you if one goes by the number of topics you all start on it. Nothings gonna change.

What do you mean?

Originally Posted by MisLed

by the way. Have you any experience with abortions?

Yes, but I'd rather keep my personal life to myself.

Originally Posted by MisLed

had one or your girlfriend had one? of course you don't have to answer but it just makes me wonder why you keep defending it.

I defend it because it is moral and I hate to see liberties infringed upon by the irrational such as lifers.