Iraq Pullout by fall 2008?

Joker · #1 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 02:06 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070308/...democrats_iraq

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Democrats want Iraq pullout by fall 2008
By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent

WASHINGTON - In a direct challenge to President Bush, House Democrats unveiled legislation Thursday requiring the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the fall of next year. The White House said Bush would veto it.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record) said the deadline would be added to legislation providing nearly $100 billion the Bush administration has requested for fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

She told reporters the measure would mark the first time the new Democratic-controlled Congress has established a "date certain" for the end of U.S. combat in the four-year-old war that has claimed the lives of more than 3,100 U.S. troops.

The dems are warming up their pressure machines for the golden fleece, that elusive deadline in Iraq. This ought to be fun.

I think it's a fair enough timetable. A little less than two more years to wrap this crap up and be done with it, plus a little extra spending money.

And, of course, in typical legislative fashion, dems wrote up legislation requiring "the Pentagon to adhere to its existing standards for equipping and training U.S. troops sent overseas and for providing time at home between tours of combat...Yet it also permits Bush to issue waivers of these standards." They officially claim the waivers are intended to embarrass the president. Yeah right.

Of course, Bush will never allow that to go through. It effectively puts him on probation with its deadlines and status checkpoints. He's too proud to let himself fall into such a position.

SenaxFlatulus · #2 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 02:39 PM

It's also a violation of their constitutional role. They can try to pass a bill on it, but it won't pass his desk with his approval. They all know this.

Here are the facts:
Congress controls the budget of the war.

The President controls the prosecution of it.

If Congress thinks they can pass a law to force the President to withdraw earlier than he is willing to, they're badly mistaken. He'll exercise his constitutional authority to veto their bill. They're never going to get a majority of Congress to do that and.... (here's the dirty little secret)

... they don't want to force our withdrawal either.

If they did, they'd already pull the trigger on a bill that would stop the funding of the war. They lack the political will to commit political suicide and put their money where their mouth is. They realize that withdrawing funds will result in the American people to turn on them, and they'd never get re-elected.

Normal Americans (both Democrat and Republican) don't want to lose this war, and that's tantamount to what the Democrat leadership are suggesting.

If the American people wanted us out of Iraq immediately at all costs, as the Democrat leaders and the liberal anti-war crowd claim, it would already be done. We'd be gone yesterday.

The claim of "getting us out" to get elected into power is something the voters in the mid-terms bought into. It's also something that the Democrat leadership can't deliver on.

Matticus77 · #3 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 02:48 PM

Well apparently they don't care about the safety of those they voted to bring a regime change to. I'd prefer they vote to get someone to take over the job of commander in chief replacing Bush. I swear what does he do? Something about once a month? He seems to me to be a president who hides in the white house most of the time. He makes speeches now and then but what does that do? How about negotiating with leaders in the Middle East to set forth plans to bring about peace? He is non-existant like every day.

I'd rather them finish the mission they voted for. Rumsfeld was dismissed as a military leader because of the poor job he did. I'd rather Congress dismiss Bush of his military position instead of just leaving. Leaving Iraq will just make it worse and will inspire more violence.

Yes this is basically impossible but I believe that's where the problem is.

Truth-Defender · #4 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Matticus77";p=&quot

I'd rather them finish the mission they voted for. Rumsfeld was dismissed as a military leader because of the poor job he did. I'd rather Congress dismiss Bush of his military position instead of just leaving.

You might want to check with a middle-schooler who attends a private school (they ususally actually get educated), and have them explain the delegation of powers authorized by the Constitution. Congress is only 1/3 of our checks and balances system, and has ZERO power to "dismiss" anyone or "finish" any mission.

Democrat politicians do, however, play their gullible constutuency like a fiddle.

DuH2 · #5 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 03:50 PM

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Pelosi said Democrats would add their war-related provisions to the administration's request for nearly $100 billion to pay for the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan

Chickens riding Donkeys

Tedminator · #6 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 04:43 PM

Bleedingheart nationbuilding liberal Elephants.

DuH2 · #7 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 05:56 PM

Democrats can't even put their SURRENDER garbage up for a vote on its own merits..instead they hide it in a bill to fund US soldiers at war.

Cowards

Chickens riding Jackasses.

..and this PC crap is getting out of hand when you can't even call a Donkey a Jackass.

Whats next Richard can't be called Dick?

JP5 · #8 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 06:06 PM

The Dems are simply trying to appease and fool their far-left.

Tedminator · #9 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 06:22 PM

The Republicans are simple trying to nationbuild Iraq for the iraqis to appease their bleedingheart liberal neocon far-right.

Matticus77 · #10 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Truth-Defender";p=&quot

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Originally Posted by Matticus77";p=&quot

I'd rather them finish the mission they voted for. Rumsfeld was dismissed as a military leader because of the poor job he did. I'd rather Congress dismiss Bush of his military position instead of just leaving.

You might want to check with a middle-schooler who attends a private school (they ususally actually get educated), and have them explain the delegation of powers authorized by the Constitution. Congress is only 1/3 of our checks and balances system, and has ZERO power to "dismiss" anyone or "finish" any mission.

Democrat politicians do, however, play their gullible constutuency like a fiddle.

Ok I'll just restate that - "Yes this is basically impossible" I got through middle school

It's just me stating my doubt of Bush being a leading commander in chief.

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