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Measuring Stability and Security in Iraq
December 2007
Report to Congress
In accordance with the
Department of Defense Appropriations Act 2007
(Section 9010, Public Law 109-289)
(GoI=Government of Iraq)

Security Progress-
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The number of security incidents has fallen significantly and is now at levels last seen in the summer of 2005. Although ethno-sectarian violence continues to be a concern, overall civilian casualties, enemy attacks and total improvised explosive device attacks have decreased markedly over the reporting period. For example, the number of high-profile attacks in Iraq declined by over 50% since March 2007. The overall reduction in security incidents can be attributed to several factors, including the continued decrease in capabilities of al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) and militia extremists, increased tribal initiatives against AQI and other extremists, Muqtada al-Sadr’s ceasefire order to his Jaysh al-Mahdi militia, the increased capability of the Iraqi military and police, the separation of Iraq’s previously mixed sectarian communi-ties into homogenous neighborhoods and the sustained presence of Coalition and Iraqi forces among the population.
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Coalition forces continue to transfer responsibility for security to the GoI. Karbala Province transitioned to Provincial Iraqi Control (PIC) on October 29, 2007, bringing the total number of provinces for which the GoI has lead security responsibility to eight of eighteen provinces. In particular, Anbar Province continued to show significant improvements in security. Despite AQI’s assassination of Sheikh Abd al Sattar Biziah Fitikhan al Rishawi on the first day of Ramadan, the Sahawa al Iraq (SAI)2 movement, under the leadership of his brother Sheikh Ahmad, continued its opposition to AQI and Sunni resistance elements. In the southern provinces, Iraqi forces have taken a more assertive role in the security of Basrah City in preparation for the transition of Basrah to PIC in December 2007.

Political (though thats inclusive in everything here) Progress-
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While the GoI’s lack of progress on key legislation has been disappointing and has hindered “top-down” reconciliation, “bottom-up” reconciliation initiatives gained momentum as tribal and local outreach efforts expanded during this quarter. The Council of Representatives (CoR) passed an important pensions law, which has been signed by the Presidency Council, and some legislative progress has been made on the de-Ba’athification law (now known as the Accountability and Justice Law), which received two readings in the CoR. In addition, Iraq and the United States signed a Declaration of Principles for a Long-Term Relations of Cooperation and Friendship Between the Republic of Iraq and the United States of America on November 26, 2007, which establishes a framework for continued bilateral cooperation. Following this, the GoI signed the United Nations Security Council Resolution renewal letter, which is consistent with the road map laid out in the Declaration of Principles.
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The Iraqi economy continues to improve and overcome many challenges to stability and growth. Estimated nominal gross domestic product (GDP) is US$60.9 billion. Real GDP will increase by an estimated 6.3% in 2007 as growth in the non-oil sector continues. The inflation rate has continued to decline due to the Central Bank of Iraq’s tight monetary policy implemented through appreciation of the Iraqi dinar. Year-on-year headline inflation as of October 2007 is 20.4%, which is down from 52.8% one year ago and year-to-date inflation is 4.2%. Iraq has maintained satisfactory performance on its Stand-By Arrangement (SBA) with the International
iv December 14, 2007
Monetary Fund (IMF) and has a Board date on December 19, 2007 for a new SBA program that is likely to be approved. Crude oil production and oil exports are higher than during the same period in 2006. State-provided electricity outputs for September through November 2007 averaged 107,581 megawatt hours, a 14% increase over production rates for the same period in 2006. Although the GoI will probably not fully execute its capital budget prior to the end of its fiscal year, Iraq has dramatically improved capital spending and, based on August data, has already executed the amount spent 2006. As of this writing, the CoR has held two readings of the draft budget law. Although the budget process is ahead of last year’s timeline, the CoR’s early December recess will delay approval of the budget until after the start of Iraq’s fiscal year on January 1, 2008.
Success with Iraqi Military-
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As for development of the GoI’s security forces, the military and police continue to expand in number and improve in capability. Iraq’s basic combat and basic police training facilities continuously operate at or near capacity. As of November 15, 2007, the Coalition and the Ministry of Defense have generated 117 army battalions that are conducting operations at varying levels of capability; another 42 are currently in or planned for force generation. Ten divisions, 34 brigades, and 108 battalions have the lead in counterinsurgency operations in their areas of responsibility. Many elements of the Iraqi Army are now capable of conducting counterinsurgency operations, but most also remain dependent on Coalition enablers.

Coalition advisors report steady but inconsistent improvement in the abilities of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Interior to perform key ministerial functions; develop and implement plans and policies; and provide direction and oversight to intelli-gence, personnel management, acquisitions, logistics, communications and budgeting. U.S.-funded programs and advisory efforts continue to improve the capabilities of the Iraqi forces but internal sectarian biases, commissioned and non-commissioned officer shortfalls, logistics deficiencies and a depend-ence on the Coalition for many combat support functions continue to hinder the Iraqi forces’ ability to operate without Coalition assistance.
Summary
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In summary, tactical and operational momentum has been achieved, and there have been notable overall improvements in the security situation. These improvements, combined with an increase in provincial government expenditure rates, have contrib-uted to improvements in the delivery of essential services and other key programs to the Iraqi people. Cooperation with Iraqi and Coalition forces by tribal leaders—both Sunni and Shi’a—has advanced “bottom-up” reconciliation and assisted in countering extremism. The numerous “tribal awakening” movements and the CLC program are making progress at the local level, but challenges remain at the national level. The key to long-term success will be the GoI’s ability to capitalize upon local gains, pass key legislation and promote national reconciliation.
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Is this going to bring back 4241 bodies?

I don't think so.
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Duh, you should know better than to post anything that comes from the Pentagon. The detractors are going to immediately disprove it, simply because of where it came from.

...Of course, these are the same folks who take Hillary solely on her word too, so that just describes their mindset.


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Duh, you should know better than to post anything that comes from the Pentagon. The detractors are going to immediately disprove it, simply because of where it came from.
They better not...


"Listen to the Generals"



They naysay it they naysay themselves.



Past that I really don't care what they say. Oh I'll argue with them or smack them around but my main intent is simply giving everyone information they may not get in the media which invalidates most claims made here by the people most likely to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and moan about the contents.


Stay the Course


Surge Worked and this man who they smeared adn decried as a liar..did it.


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Is this going to bring back 4241 bodies?

I don't think so.

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January 27, 2008
According to an Associated Press count, at least 3,932 members of the US military have died since the Iraq war began in March 2003. At least 28,938 have been wounded, the military says
http://www.boston.com/news/world/art...erican_deaths/

Ashley where do you get the 309 extras?

Oh wait I found it....its from http://icasualties.org/oif/ its the cumulative death count of everyone BUT the Iraqis..why not include them or don't they matter?


Not only those who died fighting for what you hate but also those worhtless people you ust as soon leave to die.

C'mon Ashley add em up...use them.


HD did the same thing-
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4,237 lives in Iraq, another 762 lives have been lost in Afghanistan,
Added everyone but the Iraqis and Afghans. Part of the reason is the numbers are not reallty kept(see Iraqis Afghans can't just lie and leave and have very little to gian of trumpeting death numbers). The casualty counters don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*).
Alot of it is "don't count the people we want to leave behind"....and "GOD (*)(*)(*)(*)! do not show they have had higher death/casualty rates then any of the Coalition forces"...which apprently they are not deemed fit enogh to be counted as part of.

I wonder how many will get to die with their plan of leave em and forget them..never know becasue it won't happen and they sure as hell wont care.


Its not as bad as the usual staple of adding a zero to any casualty number but its close enough.
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They better not...


"Listen to the Generals"



They naysay it they naysay themselves.



Past that I really don't care what they say. Oh I'll argue with them or smack them around but my main intent is simply giving everyone information they may not get in the media which invalidates most claims made here by the people most likely to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and moan about the contents.


Stay the Course


Surge Worked and this man who they smeared adn decried as a liar..did it.


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http://www.boston.com/news/world/art...erican_deaths/

Ashley where do you get the 309 extras?

Oh wait I found it....its from http://icasualties.org/oif/ its the cumulative death count of everyone BUT the Iraqis..why not include them or don't they matter?


Not only those who died fighting for what you hate but also those worhtless people you ust as soon leave to die.

C'mon Ashley add em up...use them.


HD did the same thing-


Added everyone but the Iraqis and Afghans. Part of the reason is the numbers are not reallty kept(see Iraqis Afghans can't just lie and leave and have very little to gian of trumpeting death numbers). The casualty counters don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*).
Alot of it is "don't count the people we want to leave behind"....and "GOD (*)(*)(*)(*)! do not show they have had higher death/casualty rates then any of the Coalition forces"...which apprently they are not deemed fit enogh to be counted as part of.

I wonder how many will get to die with their plan of leave em and forget them..never know becasue it won't happen and they sure as hell wont care.


Its not as bad as the usual staple of adding a zero to any casualty number but its close enough.
Oh isn't there a few coalition troops out there?

Total393417413342412.391775









Totals 3934 174 133 4241 2.39 1775
http://icasualties.org/oif/

Looks like my total was correct then.

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Yes..and I hope future wars are near as costly.
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HD did the same thing-

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4,237 lives in Iraq, another 762 lives have been lost in Afghanistan,
Added everyone but the Iraqis and Afghans. Part of the reason is the numbers are not reallty kept(see Iraqis Afghans can't just lie and leave and have very little to gian of trumpeting death numbers). The casualty counters don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*).
Alot of it is "don't count the people we want to leave behind"....and "GOD (*)(*)(*)(*)! do not show they have had higher death/casualty rates then any of the Coalition forces"...which apprently they are not deemed fit enogh to be counted as part of.

I wonder how many will get to die with their plan of leave em and forget them..never know becasue it won't happen and they sure as hell wont care.


Its not as bad as the usual staple of adding a zero to any casualty number but its close enough.
Duh, proving your inability to read again. And also proving your complete disregard for reality and the facts when forming your opinions.

My quote was:
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And it is NOT swatting at flies with a buick. The war in Iraq makes the expression 'Cutting off the nose to spite the face" seem inempt in describing the idiocy of American policy. We were attacked and lost almost 3,000 lives. In retaliation we have sacraficed over 4,237 lives in Iraq, another 762 lives have been lost in Afghanistan, tens, if not a hundred thousand innocent Iraqi lives, tens of thousands of soldiers wounded and crippled for live, and spent hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars... And Bin Laden is still alive..
It is only the republicans who don't care about the soldiers killed or the Iraqis killed. It is the republicans who don't care about the lies and distortions given to rush this country into war. And it is the republicans to have tried to revise history to claim that the entire war has been justified just because the violence has dropped recently. It is the republicans who somehow think that claiming war is justifed to spread democracy actually is a valid reason.

How many will die if we withdraw? I don't know. How many will die under the plan you are so gleeful about to withdraw from Anbar province? How many will die by prolonging the transistion to Iraqi self rule?
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Yes Republicans clearly don't care SOOO much that they will stick to their word and fight side by side with Iraqis against a common enemy.


While you who "care" will do nothing but betray and run out on them.

Oh am I gleeful about the success caused in Anbar in large part to the Surge?
The Surge effect you don't deem fit to even recognize carried out by the soldiers you only deem count when dead?
The USA helping bring stability to Anbar to the Detriment of al Qaeda dn their allies?

You bet your ass I am!..unlike you Success for my nation is GOOD NEWS to me.



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Now say this report is just not evidence of any real success because until the USA runs out with all its troops its just failure in a different guise.
That way everyone can know how much you care...about those you count.

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what did 9/11 have to do with the war in iraq?
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Bin Laden also acknowledges the grave errors made by the leaders of al Qaeda in Iraq and warned that the violators of al Qaeda's laws should be punished. "Everybody can make a mistake, but the best of them are those who admit their mistakes," bin Laden said. "Mistakes have been made during holy wars but mujahedeen have to correct their mistakes. ... The mujahideen are the children of this nation ... they do right things and wrong things. ... Those who are accused of violations of God's commandments should face trial."


A still of Osama bin Laden for As Sahab, al Qaeda's media wing. Click to view.

While it is unclear what "mistakes" he is referring to, it is likely he is addressing the deterioration of al Qaeda's standing in the Sunni insurgency due to the leadership's violent response to the slightest affronts to al Qaeda and its Islamic State of Iraq.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...laden_on_t.php


Believe it or not the people being murdered and shot at by al Qaeda in Iraq..Believe it exists!..imagine!

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This Report is really stinging

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