Canada being there is just stupid. We don't belong there.


"The Northern Alliance fundamentalists are mentally similar to the Taliban, but superficially they have changed to suit their power by talking about democracy and the 9/11 tragedy," -Malalai Joya

By relying on the criminal bands of the Northern Alliance, the US made a game of values like democracy, human rights, women’s rights etc. thus disgracing our mournful nation. The US created a government from those people responsible for massacres in Pul-e-Charkhi, Dasht-e-Chamtala, Kapisa, Karala, Dasht-e-Lieli, 65,000 Kabulis and tens of mass graves across the country. Now the US tries to include infamous killers like Mullah Omer and Gulbuddin Hekmatyar into the government, which will be another big hypocrisy in the "war against terror".
- RAWA

“Why I have been recommending that Kabul should not be occupied by the Northern Alliance basically is because of the past experience that we’ve had when the various ethnic groups were ahold of Kabul after the Soviets left. There was total atrocities, killings and mayhem within the city. And I think if the Northern Alliance enters Afghanistan -- enters Kabul -- we’ll see the same kind of atrocities being perpetuated against the people there....” -Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf

Take out one group of terrorists, insert another.

I'm sorry Canadians..... this is a stupid decision.

Let's analyze it shall we:

- Gives the 'enemy' (whoever they are) a firm date to use in planning which loses whatever initiative we have over there.
- Emboldens the 'enemy' (whoever they are) by showing that our alliance system is faltering
-Is being used by the governing party of Canada to strengthen their own power.

The other thing is that why are Canadians wanting to pull out? We are your greatest allies. We do not look favourably when our (what we thought) friends ditch us. This (in world opinion) is a 'Just' theatre b/c extremists directly linked to this country attacked America. The UN approves, which is good enough clearance for most countries. Canada and the Canadian people must not shake the foundation of NATO b/c that's what it is doing. NATO as a bloc needs to become more integrated, we don't need domestic political squabbles threaten the very existence of the alliance. With this motion, many other members will begin faltering in their commitments. Again, this is just a case of Politicians & the Domestic population thinking they know the score, when it's the soldiers on the ground that should be giving the most input into these decisions. The Soldiers should provide their own evidence before the Canadian people. Parliamentary Committee's always come back with one result on war's, pull out.

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I'll tell you this no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn

The West can't win the war militarily. The Afghans either have to come to a political solution, or win the fight on their own with the soldiers we train.

Its not Canada causing the alliance to fault. There are about 2 dozen NATO countries that refuse to put their soldiers in the line of fire, blame them. The dangerous southern region would be secure if they got off their ass and helped.

Its GOOD the government is strengthening its power. The Conservative government is a pro war government, if they can strengthen their position it prevents the Liberals from potentially defeating them. If the Liberals were to defeat them and win an election, Canada would be out of Afghanistan right away. We don't want that to happen.

Well.... most of NATO has already ditched Canada. Having their troops sit on the sidelines while Canadians are in combat taking high casualties is not the greatest relationship.

Not all Canadians want to pull out. I think its 60% or so want the military mission to end. Most Canadians want Canada to stay but with a less combat related role.

Nonsense, Canada hasn't shaken NATO. Canada is telling NATO to get off its ass and start fighting.

Domestic political squabbles are A REALITY. Why do you think parliaments have an official opposition?

Just last week, Canada's top General told the parliament to stop screwing around give the military a flexible mandate in Afghanistan.

At the end of the day, the military is controlled by civilians. The Conservative Defence Minister is accountable to parliament, and his hands are pretty much tied because the majority of the parliament wants a deadline for withdrawal.

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"The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. " — John Stuart Mill

But still it is foolhardy telling the world when Canada will end it's commitment. As you rightly pointed out, Canada has bourne more than it's fair share of combat (considering population, size of the military, economy etc etc) and this is the reason why Canada cannot reveal signs of withdraw. Canada has stood fast with America and you have got to stay and finish the job with us. Failure is not an option.

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I'll tell you this no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn

Hmmm, noticed everyone glossed over where I mentioned that we are trying to take out one set of terrorists and install another. I guess nobody minds because this will mean they can perpetually be at war against terrorists in Afghanistan.

You are so wrong here in so many ways. I've talked to a few soldiers and they still don't know what's going on in Afghanistan. I bet every soldier can't tell the difference between someone from the Northern Alliance or a Taliban member. Doesn't matter though, there have been more civilians killed than anyone else in Afghan. The US should have never gone into Afghanistan in the first place, even though they had plans before 911 (See poppies and pipeline) to do so, and Canada certainly has no business being there at all.

Who did 9/11.. the JEWS?

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McCain 2008
"We make war that we may live in peace"
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever."
"Keep that faith,keep your courage,stick together, stay strong,do not yield,do not flinch,stand up,we're Americans,we'll never surrender they will"
http://members.cox.net/neddy/bobhope_kerfuffles.wmv
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RnfflRNpwKA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j-QYIP7o2-A

Well - we didn't want to embarras you - by pointing out what a foolish statement it was...

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Russian Imperialism is a greater danger to the World today than AlQueda terrorism

C'mon, give it a try. Obviously I must be wrong because everything I said has been refuted...right? Or are you going to tell me that the Northern Alliance are all a bunch of peace loving stand-up citizens.
Come on embarrass me.
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1123-05.htm

I doubt he'll bother..I think your link says it all...

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McCain 2008
"We make war that we may live in peace"
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever."
"Keep that faith,keep your courage,stick together, stay strong,do not yield,do not flinch,stand up,we're Americans,we'll never surrender they will"
http://members.cox.net/neddy/bobhope_kerfuffles.wmv
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RnfflRNpwKA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j-QYIP7o2-A