http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080318...weaponsjustice

Personally, I'm expecting a return of the conservative's fairweather friend: the "activist" judge.

The second amendment clearly refers to "the people" not individuals, and just as you can get arrested for certain expressions in certain circumstances, I see nothing in the constitution that prohibits municipalities from barring arms.

I understand the desire and necessity for people in rural places to keep guns; but in a city, there's only one thing to shoot at.

Moreover, anybody that thinks everybody in DC should be allowed to be packing has probably never been to DC.

Nice try to your misinterpretation of the constitution, I guess if you believe something long enough it will be at least true in your mind, but thank God, our laws don't follow your kind of thinking. DC is the known as the murder capital, and they have had these stupid ineffective gun ban in place since 1975, yeah, that seemed to work....for the bad guys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.


Like many other large cities, Washington, D.C., has enacted a number of strict gun-restriction laws. The Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975 prohibited residents from owning handguns, excluding handguns registered prior to February 5, 1977. Other local laws prohibit carrying guns (concealed or not), and all guns and ammunition must be registered.[7]


Violent crime has dropped drastically in the United states in the last 15 years, and our gun laws are still in tact, keeping people productive lowers crime rate, not gun bans.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...09-crime_x.htm

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Cheney is the second executive officer to shoot someone in the face and chest. Clinton was the first.

Personally, I expect more collectivist statism from our corrupt, idiot judges.

The people are a collection of individuals. No rights supercede the rights of individuals. And the militia refers to the people at large.

If a criminal threatens you with a gun, then you should shoot him or her. Then there will be fewer criminals.

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A collective, as it were.

Yes.

Somebody explain the logic that guns would cause a decrease in crimes.

A case in point would be great.

None of the same hypotheticals used to support libertarian utopias. I don't indulge that stuff.

Gun crimes have dropped dramatically nationwide since 1993, and that is due to tougher laws, like 3 strikes. Not hypothetical, but a fact.

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Cheney is the second executive officer to shoot someone in the face and chest. Clinton was the first.

But the collective has no separate existence apart from the individuals. As a non-existent entity, the collective cannot assume rights that supercede the rights of the individuals.

I thought I had trained you on this over at Perspectives, f0ca1?

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer

That, or the economic boom that started about that time.

Correlation is not causation.

I'd like for the liberals to explain the logic behind their belief that merely having a gun immediately turns someone into a raging, violent criminal.

Let's look at the stats and let's look at what's going on with the criminal justice system in relation to gun crimes:

* In the United States during 1997, there were 15,289 murders. Of these, 10,369 were committed with firearms. (2)

(two-thirds with firearms - one third without. Obviously, guns aren't the sole issue...)

* In the United States during 1997, there were approximately 7,927,000 violent crimes. Of these, 691,000 were committed with firearms. (12)

(Now with overall violent crimes, we see that guns are a much smaller percentage - less than 10%)

* As of 1992, for every 14 violent crimes (murder, rape, etc…) committed in the United States, one person is sentenced to prison. (62)

(So, golly gee, Wally, you think not punishing people for committing violent crimes might be more of an incentive for them to commit them in the future????)

* As of 1992, average length of imprisonment for:

Murder 10.0 years
Rape 7.6 years
Aggravated Assault 3.4 years
(63)

(And the ones that do get sentenced aren't serving long sentences... If you murder someone - that should be an automatic life sentence.)

* In the early/mid 1990's, criminals on parole or early release from prison committed about 5,000 murders, 17,000 rapes, and 200,000 robberies a year. (3)

(Proving the above assertion - the criminals being released early or unpunished are committing more violent crimes - well isn't that just shocking...)

* Americans use firearms to defend themselves from criminals at least 764,000 times a year. This figure is the lowest among a group of 9 nationwide surveys done by organizations including Gallup and the Los Angeles Times. (16b)

(So that's 764,000 people you'd rather see murdered or raped by criminals if you had your way, Mr. Gun Banner. Yes, let's just all be defenseless victims and wait for the "justice system" who we've already seen isn't locking criminals up, protect us. ROTFL.)

* In 1982, a survey of imprisoned criminals found that 34% of them had been "scared off, shot at, wounded or captured by an armed victim." (16c)

(So an armed populace is indeed a deterrance to crime)

* Washington D.C. enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between 1976 and 1991, Washington D.C.'s homicide rate rose 200%, while the U.S. rate rose 12%. (1)

(Gee, that gun ban didn't work so good, now did it?)

Link

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer

And if the government were to stop taxing people so much, and causing inflation through printing excess fiat currency, maybe they wouldn't be as inclined to steal from others...

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer