I explained that: the secondary portion had to do with some nitpicerky about about what "mission" means.

I know that defeating Saddam hussein's meager forces would present little challenges to our military and that the success after that would always be out of our hands and in the hands of Iraqis.

Firstly, I wouldn't have invaded without a UN mandate, because if the Iraqis didn't or couldn't "stand up" we could share the burden.

That said, the most effective occupation is overwhelming force, not a "light footprint"

After that, with 300,000 boots on the ground, we needed to clear, Build and Hold; the strategy Condi touted and that Rummy Rebuked.

Mostly, I wouldn't try to convince people that the war would be a "cakewalk."

No you didn't. You used that thread title because you had a "mission". How about you explain to me where you did so?



Ok.




Because it was unilateral?

If you are talking about "clearing", what power did Bush have over the State Department to do so?

Do you have evidence Bush ever said the "war" would be that? Post it. I am pretty sure he always said it might be a multi-decade thing.

The points you make are pretty meaningless now.

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You're going to have to make your thought a little clearer, I'm sorry.





Because situations like Iraq are exactly why we founded the UN; to share the burden

Bush has total power over the state department, but when condi described "Clear/build/hold" she was NSA director. It has nothing to do with the state department.

Had we Cleared each city of insurgents, ReBuilt the infrastructure back up quickly, then Held those positions, Iraqis would have had a lot easier time bringing peace and stability.

Instead, we cleared and moved on.
'Cakewalk in Iraq' is a well known Op/ed piece by Ken Adelman, former undersecretary of defense under Don Rumsfeld.

Perhaps other soundbites of note will ring a bell: "Last throes of the insurgency" and "greeted as liberators."

I'm not the one that needed the history lesson.

The president just did the same counting-chickens-before they hatch routine that the administration has done several times, now.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. So much for my reading comprehension.

Okay, I'm looking this up because I want to find out how hazy my memory is. 'Cause I have a clear memory of Bush himself saying the words, "Mission accomplished!" and then making one of those little sneers that hurts my teeth.

It turns out that the words he actually said, a month after the banner thing ...

... which, by the way, it turns out that the banner was hung by the White House, and not the Navy as people tried to claim, although the White House still maintains that it was done at the Navy's request ...

... 'cause really, what aircraft carrier is hauling around the facilities to make a giant banner like that? ...

Anyway. What Bush said, at Camp Sayliyah, and not on the aircraft carrier, was, "America sent you on a mission to remove a grave threat and to liberate an oppressed people, and that mission has been accomplished."

Which is purely rhetorical, basically meaningless and therefore hard to argue with, which is unfortunate, because, not incidental to all the people that have died since then, it's totally wrong.

When he was elected to LEAD!

Ya see sport that is what a leader DOES... Notice that the President is not the Poll-Assesser of the United States... he is the LEADER of the United States.

Take a minute to look it up ... I think you'll see what I mean. No leader would ever consider the will of the quitters, as that is what quitters do... NOT LEADERS

Oh your memory is clear... he made the incontestable fact statement. He did so when the mission to dispatch Hussein from power was accomplished, shortly before the mission to provide Iraq with the means to govern itself through an elected government, under its own Constitution began...

Is there something about that which puzzles you?

ROFL...The UN was in Iraq, until al Qaeda in Iraq blew up their headquarters and murdered their envoy...



This was a direct result of the lefts bedwetting over abu gharib... GW erroneously lent the left credence and took a defensive posture that was designed to reduce contact with the 'innocent Iraqis'... but as with every decision which lends credence to leftists, this one was a gigantic mistake.

The term "Mission Accomplished" in the service is used for the purpose of gaining Morale.

Each outfit is given a mission, and after that mission is completed they are sent home, on leave or assigned a new mission.

The crew on the ship had completed their mission, and was thanked by the president and sent back home.

To lie and make this issue out to be more then that is a dishonest lie, and shows bad character about those who speak in this fashion.
If you say such things your ether ignorant, or dishonest in character.

I do not respect those who twist this issue on the use of "Mission Accomplished" just to use it for their own dishonest smear campaign.
while it also robs our troops of a well executed mission.

You make me sick with your lies.

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