http://www.reuters.com/article/lates.../idUSN18251536


The latter is the understatement of the decade.

Just another example of counting chickens before they hatch.

I understand his drive to create a complete mirror of our government in Iraq with freedom/democracy/infrastructure/security/stability etc, but when do the will of the people count here? When over 50% of the public is against the war? How about consistently around 60% for the last year or more? When does the leader of the free world decide his own decisions are more important than the 'free' American people?

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I am wondering what part of the word "mission" the great Reuters god doesn't understand...hmmm

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And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.

And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.

Since "the war" is now an ethnic conflict, what makes you think it will end if the US leaves?

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Justabubba: "that would include everyone"

http://politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=27847

I'd be stupid not to admit it has always been an ethnic struggle. But I'm sorry I bet a lot of those people have shared spit, literally. Iraq is the heardth. If you believe the Bible it is the birth of civilization. I do believe that. If they can't get along, then what hope do the rest of us have?

If there are people there that think forming a new Ottoman empire, which is what Bin Laden wants, is the answer to all their problems then we are much quicker to another world war. I don't think the majority of people there want that. And I know the people in the West don't want that either.

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And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.

And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.

Bush is a megalomaniac. There's no decision process for him on the matter. He is "the Decider" and he will ignore his "lowest approval rating in history" and the polls. Now, I don't agree that someone should govern exclusive by polls, as Appeal to the Majority is always a logical fallacy. But if you break the record for worst approval rating of all time, maybe you want to look at some of the things you're doing. I mean, it's not just liberals that don't like him. A lot of conservatives absolutely despise him over things like big spending and illegal immigration. The guy will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents ever...and rightly so.

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Great questions.

Moreover, for a politician who claims to be skeptical of government programs; specifically nation building, why does he think our government can do a good job building a different nation?

It's unbelieveable, after "cakewalk" "Mission accomplished" and a myriad of other wrong predictions going back half a decade, the prez marches up today and declares a "strategic victory" even though the long term effects of the surge have yet to be seen.

And it's just BS. The president doesn't care if it's true or not; the important thing is that he said it, and some people, less vigilant people, will believe.

I really don't understand this. Doesn't the President have handlers to keep him from doing this kind of thing?

Or maybe just a friend who could kind of nudge him in the side and say, "Dude, you don't wanna do that."

I mean, how many times has he brought out the "Mission Accomplished" dog and pony? And how many times has he been proven wrong? I'm on the fence abou the Iraq War in general, but I do know that our beloved President just needs to shut up about it.

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Men of England, heirs of Glory,
Heroes of unwritten story,
Nurslings of one mighty Mother,
Hopes of her, and one another;

Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number,
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you -
Ye are many - they are few.

- Percy Shelley, "The Masque of Anarchy"

I saw him on the news talking. He said, "The high cost of blood and treasure has been worth it."

I changed the channel thereafter and proceeded to puke.

I was going to bring this up, but I would like to reveal to you all the true stupidity of the talking fish heads.

Of course this refers to the mention of the "Mission Accomplished" banner on a Navy warship.

First and foremost - President Bush never asked them to put that up. the military, specifically the Navy did it themselves as a welcome to the president and to say thank you for letting us do our jobs.

Secondly, a military "mission" can mean many things. And in Rueters case, what you don't know can hurt your feelings. Or at least make you look really stupid. Anybody know what happened before that news conference was held?

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And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.

And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.