This whole website is completely full of complainers, not saying that EVERYONE here is. But honestly now, I think it's much more interesting, if not productive, to think of ways the world could be made better. Now this whole Israeli/Palestinian issue has reached a very violent point and there are not too many ways to solve it. And personally, I don't believe in the "lets nuke 'em" attitude... well I know this won't be an extremely popular thread but I'm wondering about your educated opinions about what should be done in the Jewish State and Palestine. And by educated I mean, you know at least a little about whats being discussed, meaning Guevara should not post...

Freedomisntfree

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I don't know. I concentrated on one question. Here is my thought process (however flawed it may be).

If Isreal completely pulled out of the "disputed area" tomorrow, would the Pals stop their terrorist tactics. No, of course they won't. Would the Pals stop their terrorist tactics if, in addition to pulling out, the Isrealies officially recognized the Pal state? No. If Isreal then proceeded to disolve it's statehood and declare Isreali land under Pal rule, would Pals still attack Jews? Yeah.

Now, Would the Isrealis fair better by increasing the security of thier nations boarders and thumping the Pal attackers on the head with a 500lb bomb? Yes.

Anyone have anything to add?

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for the mizzpellz

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If the Palestinians agree to somesort of bilateral two state solution, an actual war with land at stake could take place... so you know, even though I'm against the nuke'em idea, there may be a good thing to this. The Palestinians can lose. They might even lose so badly that they'll be forced to give up the land. Oh and that war would be started by the Palestinians, I'm almost sure of it, and it would be a terrible one with more civilian casualties than the modern world could allow, i expect, and not because of the Israelis. The Palestinians, or SOME palestinians I should say, want to exterminate all the Jews. So IF Israel wins, there might be a quiet time when the Palestinians are crippled after the war. This is all just a good (or worse) a guess as any...

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Right, I see only a couple of problems with that
First, whom do you make an agreement with? PLO, Hamas, Hezbola? And then what factions within these organizations do you agree with? There are too many different segments of the Pals to effectively meet each of their demands. Some want peace, some want land, some want war, some want the extermination of the Jews. You can not and would not want to meet all of these demands. Negotiation is futile.

How do you shoot the Pals that intend to harm Israelis? They don’t wear signs!

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If they somehow manage to agree to form their own state, they would be pretty organized by that time because without organization, no one can make a full agreement like you said. So once that organization occurs, a new government will form to rule over the Palestinian state and in order to appear to be "playing by the rules" according to the world and the UN, they would have to accept negations... and if not, the war will meet an extremely bloody end. And there's the nuke'em ending that I hate so much...

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My suggestion, thou the current Israeli government will never allow this:

*Immediate withdrawal of troops and settlers to the pre 1967 borders. *Replace the Israeli military presence in the occupied areas with UN troops from neutral countries. UN troops protect both parts in this conflict from each other. The Palestinians have little reason to fighting UN troops since they woul be there for their own benefit as well.
*Issue international police help train the Palestinian police in what they should do (arrest criminals).
*Disarm the fighting factions, I guess they would be a lot more willing to let this happen with the hostile occupation ended.
*Israel has stolen most of the water in the area, this has hurt Palestinian farmers a lot, water must be distributed in a fair way.
*Open up the Palestinian borders to the neighboring countries so that they can trade and work with them as well.
*Stop all anti Arab propaganda in Israeli schools and media.
*Stop all anti Jewish propaganda in Palestinian schools and media.
*Instate an Adult training program to counter the effect of being affected of the above mention propaganda.
"-Contrary to what you have been told before, they are not evil."

There are probably a lot more that needs to be done but this could be a start.

Quite flawed indeed. I see you would advocate the "nuke 'em" cause. But this is the status quo right now in this conflict.
You seem to be convinced that there is no peace possible between these two sets of people. Even though you say you don't support the "nuke 'em" cause, you really seem to like this legitimate war possibility. Even if this were to happen, we would be back to square one, Israel occupies Palestinian lands.
Valid point, but you seem to forget that the only time Palestine actually had a government that functioned (under the PLO), Israel slowly and systematically destroyed it, leaving the Palestinian territories in their disorganized state. If you believe negotiation is futile, this world would have a great deal more wars.

But not to only be a critic, I'll say that I agree with Niceguy's suggestions, with slight adjustments, it sounds like a solid draft.

This might surprise you Spork, but I would like peace in the region today. Niceguy has a great draft. Now try to implement it. What side do you think would be the first to break the rules and engage in violence?

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I know what to do. I say we send Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston to Israel and see if they can solve the problems.

Oh, wait! Been there, done that.