Thread: raising taxes on alcohol and tobacco products

it has nothing to do with control, it has everything to do with making society better. Perhaps you just can't see that because you love your precious Rum too much

I think smokers should be forced to pay taxes into an insurance system, somewhat similar to the American social security system. These taxes would later fund their medical treatment for lung cancer, and contribute a small portion toward any cardiovascular related medical expenses.

Perhaps if they had to pay their medical bills for smoking now, rather than at some distant future time, they could see how expensive smoking really is.

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

I think smokers should be forced to pay taxes into an insurance system, somewhat similar to the American social security system. These taxes would later fund their medical treatment for lung cancer, and contribute a small portion toward any cardiovascular related medical expenses.

Perhaps if they had to pay their medical bills for smoking now, rather than at some distant future time, they could see how expensive smoking really is.

that's a good idea

Originally Posted by Tribearer_Eko

it has nothing to do with control, it has everything to do with making society better. Perhaps you just can't see that because you love your precious Rum too much

I love that response. And, how do you make society better? By total control and forcing people to do what you want. People in American love forcing others for their own good.

Everyone who has ever said they were forcing me to do something for my own good, were lying.

Originally Posted by Tribearer_Eko

Hitler was a smart man. i am not a nazi and i dont believe in everything he did, because he was corrupt but he did have a few smart ideas.

what is wrong with abolishing corruption? do you think alcohol and tobacco is needed? what about drugs, are those needed in society?

What is wrong with abolishing anything? Are drugs needed in society? Yes, they are. I had some oral surgery a few weeks ago and I needed pain pills. Of course, I realize that if you don't need them then I shouldn't have them. Do we need churches and religion>? They cause a lot of pain, misery, and corruption. Let's abolish that, too.

Hitler had a few smart ideas. Big deal. Clarabelle the Clown had a few smart ideas. One really, really bad idea trumps a lot of smart ideas. Your lust to abolish would fall into a category of really, really bad ideas.

Me, I don't drink. I won't help you drink in any way, shape, or form. But, if you want to, that's up to you. I also don't try to force other people to live as I wish. If you want to try, that's your business but don't expect me to help you in any way, shape, or form.

when i say drugs i mean weed, cocaine, etc. some people want to legalize them. i am not against medical drugs like pain killers.
your right one bad idea does trump several good, and I'm not saying Hitler is a genius or anything I'm just saying he was smart.
haven't you seen how the world is falling apart? society is growing evermore corrupt, they don't care anymore. you can see this indifference in the young today, and part of that reason is that they are too high on drugs, too drunk, etc. We want to make the world a better place we have to make some hard decisions. And i couldn't agree more with you, nothing is more dangerous than a man acting under the pretense of "the greater good"

Originally Posted by Tribearer_Eko

when i say drugs i mean weed, cocaine, etc. some people want to legalize them. i am not against medical drugs like pain killers.
your right one bad idea does trump several good, and I'm not saying Hitler is a genius or anything I'm just saying he was smart.
haven't you seen how the world is falling apart? society is growing evermore corrupt, they don't care anymore. you can see this indifference in the young today, and part of that reason is that they are too high on drugs, too drunk, etc. We want to make the world a better place we have to make some hard decisions. And i couldn't agree more with you, nothing is more dangerous than a man acting under the pretense of "the greater good"

And what we need is a strong dictator like Hitler, Stalin, or Maeo to whip us all into shape or else.

Don't be silly. You're not dangerous and you're acting under the pretense of "the greater good".

Originally Posted by Tribearer_Eko

when i say drugs i mean weed, cocaine, etc. some people want to legalize them. i am not against medical drugs like pain killers.

haven't you seen how the world is falling apart? society is growing evermore corrupt, they don't care anymore. you can see this indifference in the young today, and part of that reason is that they are too high on drugs, too drunk, etc. We want to make the world a better place we have to make some hard decisions. And i couldn't agree more with you, nothing is more dangerous than a man acting under the pretense of "the greater good"

Why are you ok with pain pills that have KNOWN side effects of "tremors, delirium, severe respiratory depression, confusion or stupor, coma, clammy skin, circulatory collapse and cardiac arrest and death" but you are against marijuana that has a few side effects but none that are anywhere near those. No deaths have EVER been reported with the primary cause of marijuana use.

I am sure you are also ok with caffeine (Insomnia, Tremor, Anxiety, Psychosis, Anxiety, Apathy, Irritability, Depression) or how about sugar! (has been proven to depress your immune system)...

I really wish people would stop being such hypocrites. Hard drugs are one thing... Marijuana does not fit into this category.



As for the world falling to crap because of "drugs" you need to pick up a book and see that morals have been falling since fetuses have been viewed as a "fixable problem" and the number of single parent households have skyrocketed. Most drugs use to be legal before they were illegal. You talk about "nothing is more dangerous than a man acting under the pretense of the greater good" right after you say we have to make hard choices on drugs... You really don't see the conflict of these two sentences do you?

As for the op, i am fine with taxes on recreational drugs (alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, ect as long as they do not make the product prohibitively unaffordable. I think people should have the RIGHT to make choices that just affect themselves, however, I think they should pay more for insurances in case these actions cause health problems so other will not have to pick up the tab.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/002445.htm
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supple...tName=CAFFEINE
http://www.testcountry.org/10-import...hink-about.htm
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/v...ourceID=000145
http://www.saferchoice.org/content/view/24/53/

I pay a hefty surcharge on my insurance premium because of my smoking. WTF else do you want out of me?

I cost the Government nothing, my health is an issue between me, my doctor and my insurance company and the Government last I checked was not my insurance company, yet.

People want socialized medical care but then want to dictate to people to live healthy lifestyles to keep costs down, that is simply not fair and it certainly is not liberty.

If you don't want to pay for me and smokers health issues in the future, don't nationalize the health care system.

Originally Posted by SiliconMagician

I pay a hefty surcharge on my insurance premium because of my smoking. WTF else do you want out of me?

People want socialized medical care but then want to dictate to people to live healthy lifestyles to keep costs down, that is simply not fair and it certainly is not liberty.

That is the problem with some people, they dont give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about your liberty as long as they can "make society better" in their eyes, right Tribearer_Eko?

Wasn't that what Hitler was trying to do? Make society better and all that jazz...