Thread: raising taxes on alcohol and tobacco products

Originally Posted by Tribearer_Eko

Many of these intakes are un-needed in society and cause problems for the user both in bodily health and actions.
Alcohol and tobacco both are un-needed in society. What good comes from such indulgences? None, however economist would disagree because a great amount of money is contributed to the economy by those who purchase these products. The vast majority of effects the products have on people are negative. Alcohol impairs judgments and mobility, causes liver cancer, and heightens certain emotions. Tobacco restricts the respiratory system, causes lung or oral cancer. Specialists have, many times, stated that smoking takes years off one’s life. Deaths from tobacco are not only of the smoker but also those around them, from second and third hand smoke. The products are the corruption of the body and of society.
Taxes would be raised and customers would realize how much money they are spending on these goods. Many would buy these things much less or stop altogether; eventually the tax would keep getting higher until the market is so low that these products are taken off. This is a less aggressive act against the problem of alcohol and tobacco.
Tobacco and alcohol are not a positive influence on society and only offer money in return, but is money worth the deaths and corruption of innocent people? The goal that will hopefully be achieved with the increase of the taxation on these harmful products is the annexation of them. This will benefit generations to come.

This is somewhat flawed and heavily opinionated. Smoking and drinking is a choice, a persons or individuals choice. It also happens to be legal for a person to enjoy this decision without worrying about any legal ramifications. Health insurance is very aware of those who choose to relish in or the other or both. It is how they make money, lots of money. However, raising the taxes is not the answer. People are allowed to make decisions and enjoy their life how they see fit when it falls under legality and being legal. It is no more fair to raise taxes on those who choose to smoke and drink, than it is to increase taxes on those who buy homes and cars. We need to be looking at a better way of budgeting instead of using all of our money and finding ways to make Americans pay for it.

Another side not to consider is how this will hurt the economy. People who enjoy something find way to still enjoy this something. How they do this is by removing what they deem unnecessary. Cut the cable bill, get rid of cell phones, drive less, shop elsewhere, etc. When this happens, taxes invite stagnation which as you know kills the economy. It is time to stop passing the Gov's problems back to the people, the people don't deserve to be taxed. The gov just needs to be held accountable for misspending and abuse.

I say there should be more people smoking and drinking. We need more patients for hospitals and doctors in the economic downturn. Tabacco is a great product it keeps people comming back for more, and thousand of workers in NC and the south depend on RJ Renoylds for money and a job.

If the USA could exprot more of these tobacco products the USA will be better off. Other countries with their cheep and proficent healthcare will have more customers for the medical industry. And It will make the uSA look better on paper.

Evolution demands it. The medically inferior should not continue to make babies.

so you're saying that it is okay to sell these products that harm the community as long as we get money for it?

Originally Posted by Tribearer_Eko

so you're saying that it is okay to sell these products that harm the community as long as we get money for it?

Let me ask you this ...

Is THIS okay with you and the government?

There have been cases of unusual cancers in children, teenagers, and young adults

Is that worth fixing plaque psoriasis or Moderate to Severe Rheumatoid Arthritis?

... oh! What am I saying? It is okay with the government - and you?

Originally Posted by clint Torres

i Say There Should Be More People Smoking And Drinking. We Need More Patients For Hospitals And Doctors In The Economic Downturn. Tabacco Is A Great Product It Keeps People Comming Back For More, And Thousand Of Workers In Nc And The South Depend On Rj Renoylds For Money And A Job.

If The Usa Could Exprot More Of These Tobacco Products The Usa Will Be Better Off. Other Countries With Their Cheep And Proficent Healthcare Will Have More Customers For The Medical Industry. And It Will Make The Usa Look Better On Paper.

Evolution Demands It. The Medically Inferior Should Not Continue To Make Babies.

the Prophet Has Spoken

thanks a lot Felix :/ [ ]

i understand your veiws in an economic view but i cannot agree morally

Originally Posted by Tribearer_Eko

Many of these intakes are un-needed in society and cause problems for the user both in bodily health and actions.
Alcohol and tobacco both are un-needed in society. What good comes from such indulgences? None, however economist would disagree because a great amount of money is contributed to the economy by those who purchase these products. The vast majority of effects the products have on people are negative. Alcohol impairs judgments and mobility, causes liver cancer, and heightens certain emotions. Tobacco restricts the respiratory system, causes lung or oral cancer. Specialists have, many times, stated that smoking takes years off one’s life. Deaths from tobacco are not only of the smoker but also those around them, from second and third hand smoke. The products are the corruption of the body and of society.
Taxes would be raised and customers would realize how much money they are spending on these goods. Many would buy these things much less or stop altogether; eventually the tax would keep getting higher until the market is so low that these products are taken off. This is a less aggressive act against the problem of alcohol and tobacco.
Tobacco and alcohol are not a positive influence on society and only offer money in return, but is money worth the deaths and corruption of innocent people? The goal that will hopefully be achieved with the increase of the taxation on these harmful products is the annexation of them. This will benefit generations to come.

No thanks. I quite enjoy a cigar every now and again and my beer on the weekends. Those items are already taxed. That is enough.

Originally Posted by Tribearer_Eko

problem= disease, accidents, addicts, murders, rapes, etc.

"un-needed"= what benifet comes from these products? it doesn't improve your health in any way, it doesn't help your job, or help in any way.

prove it= Experts estimate alcohol is responsible for at least 33,000 deaths in the UK each year. including damage to an unborn child, liver disease, osteoporosis (thinning of the bones), pancreatitis, stomach ulcers, infertility, heart disease, raised blood pressure, stroke, dementia and brain damage.

It can also lead to an increased risk of a variety of cancers, particularly breast cancer and cancer of the gullet. It is also frequently associated with mental health problems, such as depression and anxiety.

As a smoker, you're at risk for cancer of the mouth. Tobacco smoke can also cause gum disease, tooth decay .Hydrogen cyanide and other chemicals in the smoke attack the lining of the bronchi, inflaming them and causing that chronic smoker's cough. Because the bronchi are weakened, you're more likely to get bronchial infections.The effects of smoking on your heart are devastating. Nicotine raises blood pressure and makes the blood clot more easily. Carbon monoxide robs the blood of oxygen and leads to the development of cholesterol deposits on the artery walls. All of these effects add up to an increased risk of heart attack.The tars in smoke can trigger cancer of the esophagus and throat. Smoking causes increased stomach acid secretion, leading to heartburn and ulcers. Smokers have higher rates of deadly pancreatic cancer. Many of the carcinogens from cigarettes are excreted in the urine where their presence can cause bladder cancer, which is often fatal. High blood pressure from smoking can damage the kidneys.

Watching too much television can cause problems as well, should be tax tv sets more also?

Originally Posted by Irishman

No thanks. I quite enjoy a cigar every now and again and my beer on the weekends. Those items are already taxed. That is enough.



Watching too much television can cause problems as well, should be tax tv sets more also?

you dont have to pay a tax to watch tv in the US

i know tho that the UK does and quite frankly that is retarded

Originally Posted by Tribearer_Eko

you dont have to pay a tax to watch tv in the US

i know tho that the UK does and quite frankly that is retarded

Sure you do, you ever look at your cable bill?

Edit: you also pat taxes to buy the television. Just as you would pay more taxes to buy the tobacco and alcohol in your proposal, not to use them.

the only reason that getting rid of these products wouldn't work is because people are much to selfish. you only think about what "i want".
do you have to smoke? no
is it harmful? yes
to who? everyone around you
do you have to drink? no
is it harmful? potentially

but why do you do it? because it is what YOU want.

stubborn, selfish, ignorant fools. that's all the human race is.