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Old 03-15-2008, 11:27 AM
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I really don't think that making marijuana legal is going to cause this huge shift to harder drugs. Most people don't need the other drugs because they get what they want from the marijuana. They get that high and they get this horrible urge to attack the kitchen and eat everything in sight. So, the way I see it, if we do make marijuana legal, all we are really doing is taking money away from the drug dealers and putting money into a company.

Who would make it? I hope a big tobacco company that has experience with growing things of that nature. Sell it wherever you want to sell it. If it's legal, then you can sell it. Would taxes be worth anything? If tons of people are buying the marijuana, chances are, the taxes are going to have some effect. The way I see it, the government gets no money from those dealers that sell drugs. "Yes, I'd like to pay me 25% income tax on the drugs I sold..." Not likely. So, if it was taxed, the government would be making more money.
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Who would make it? I hope a big tobacco company that has experience with growing things of that nature.
I actually would hope not. If a big tobacco company started growing pot, they would probably add chemicals to make it addictive, just like they put extra nicotine into cigs to addict their customers. Why do we need all of our resources (of any sort) under the control of legal "persons" who don't literally exist and can't go to prison(corporations)? I would have much more confidence in small family farms, and I would want to see them succeed. Since corporate farming has all but destoyed the traditional homestead farm, it would be nice to put something back into the hands of the people.
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I agree fifth, no other things should be added to it.
But just for the record, anyone who thinks pot is harmful is ignorant and a hipocrite. IT is far less destructive than alcohol.
Lastly, The ONLY reason that it is not legal is tradition, it couldn't be taxed in its early days in America so it is illegal. IT has nothing to do with the drug itself, simply the financial aspect.
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im not in favor of pot being legalized because it might open a door for other drugs to be legalized and it would fund the drug cartels. although, i do agree that it is less destructive than alcohol and less addictive than cigaretes. the smoke would probably cause lung cance in some but so do cigaretes. i do think it should be open to studies for medical purposes though. who knows what pot can cure..
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-people use it to rebel and therefore wouldn't if it was legal.
People smoke it because they like the soothing effect it has on them. The people who would start smoking it that do not already would be those who would realize the medicinal effects it has been used for, for thousands of years. Better than sleeping pills. Sooths stomach aches and actually helps keep ya regular. Enhances the appetite. Not to mention those effected with HIV, various forms of cancer, etc…

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-it would reduce the prison population
Absolutely a fact! The majority of the population in prison are non violent users caught with relatively small quantities! Most studies show individual states would save millions from arresting, convicting, incarceration (storing), individuals that show to be absolutely no threat to society. That is until they get out of prison and hold society responsible for their kidnapping and false imprisonment.

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-it costs so much to enforce
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-would reduce presence and wealth of drug dealers
The suppliers are the rich ones. Most so-called dealers have jobs and sell to accommodate their using of the product.

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-extra tax revenue
Yep more funding for our government officials to misuse for their own benefit! Of course that won’t happen because they are getting more money from lobbyists in several industries including the pharmaceutical industry to keep it off the market!

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Um. Buck. Your reply has nothing to do with the question in this thread. Which is whether there would be a drug shift after marijuana legalization.

While I agree that use of heavy drugs that trash you fast wouldn't go up there could be competition in the form of drugs like ecstasy.

Ecstasy does have worse side effects. However marijuana users already have that "go to jail" side effect that doesn't seem to stop them so I'm not sure if the effects o ecstasy would hold them off either.

And they also feel the need to do an illegal drug instead of simply using a legal one.

Driving the switch would be that it could become "cool" to do the other drugs as marijuana may not be seen as rebelius when your grandmother does it during Sunday dinner and the fact that all pushers/dealers will be actively trying as hard as they can to make other, profitable, drugs cool and appealing.

There would also probably be "research" done in the drug community to make drugs that have similar effects to marijuana but moreso.

The argument against. Which was mentioned earlier. Is that people get exactly what they want from pot and would not be interested in anything else. I don't know how much that is true or not true.
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I do not believe there would be a big shift. Do you really think the majority of people who smoke pot do it cuz it’s illegal? That might be a good synopsis as to why people try it, but IMO I think that theory comes up short when discussing someone who has smoked it for a significant period of time. Look at some of the surveys. In the 70’s around 42% of teenagers admitted trying it in High school out of them about 50% continued o smoke it regularly. As a comparison today about 47% claim to have smoked it and about 50% of them continued to smoke it regularly.

People do not just get up in the morning and say what can I do to my body today simply for the fact it is illegal.

People, especially those with addictive personalities do however look for a buzz they like, especially after experimenting with alcohol and tobacco! Still the #1 & #2 stepping stone drugs for decades now!

According to most government studies teenagers are abusing pharmaceuticals at the largest rate these days than anything else. This is their experimental stage, and just like their parents before them and their parents before them they will experiment with whatever is available and obtainable. Some will stick with it most who try it will not do it regularly just for the fact it is illegal? Where is the proof to this?

Also if these drug dealers were like toy companies researching and experimenting for the next top seller next year, why have they not tried to extract the THC and place it in a powder, pill, or liquid form so it would be much easier to transport, carry, and be most beneficial to the user?

It’s simply not profitable enough to do so! They have a regular clientele, a specific number of the population they can depend on so to speak!

The most profitable thing about pot is the payola obtained by government officials who are responsible for keeping it illegal. Several industries will and do pay regularly to insure it stays illegal. Most police forces and police unions overwhelmingly would like to see it legalized or at least decriminalized so they could spend more of their time going after real criminals.
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Also if these drug dealers were like toy companies researching and experimenting for the next top seller next year, why have they not tried to extract the THC and place it in a powder, pill, or liquid form so it would be much easier to transport, carry, and be most beneficial to the user?

It’s simply not profitable enough to do so! They have a regular clientele, a specific number of the population they can depend on so to speak!


That's sort of what I'm talking about though. Once pot is legalized they'd have to change in order to keep their regular clientele. They would certainly be trying to push other drugs, make some other drug seem "cooler" than marijuana, and would probably experiment with new drugs or drug blends in order to try and regain market share.

The question is how effective they will be at this.
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Some of the common arguments for legalized marijuana are:

-people use it to rebel and therefore wouldn't if it was legal.
More importantly though - people use it to achieve a temporary escape. The rebellion issue isn't related to the actual drug itself - or to drug use in general.

Another factor you didn't consider is why do most people refuse to do drugs. They refuse to do so because they will risk losing their jobs and being unable to provide for their families. That is the prime motivation - not fear of arrest and temporary imprisonment.

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But my question is does that hold? Especially in the case of the first argument it would seem that the people using to rebel would simply move on to some other drug. Similarly the drug dealers would move to trying to push other drugs.
What you're not factoring in is that the harder drugs like Meth have become popular because they're easier to conceal. Much easier to hide a Meth lab than it is to hide marijuana growing out in the open. That is the reason for the use of these other drugs. If people had access to legal marijuana, they simply wouldn't risk dealing with other drugs, because why should they go through the hassle when they can legally get high?

Also - something else you fail to consider is the successful legalization in other countries. Their societies are not collapsing. Drug addicts are not running wild in the streets. They're doing just fine and have easily managed the issue of legal marijuana.
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They would certainly be trying to push other drugs, make some other drug seem "cooler" than marijuana, and would probably experiment with new drugs or drug blends in order to try and regain market share.

The question is how effective they will be at this.
Unlike the government, drug dealers don't have propaganda campaigns to popularize particular drugs. As a matter of fact, with exception of huge inner city areas, there are not many drug "pushers" at all (and they don't "push" pot). The customer seeks out the dealer.

Moreover, the premise of the thread seems to be that we need to keep at least one harmless drug on the illegal side, so people will stop at that. That is absolutely ridiculous. People are more likely to say, "well, I'm breaking the law anyway, I might as well try the other illegal drugs, too. They're probably also harmless."
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