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Old 06-01-2006, 08:46 AM
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Nope. My point is above. I would elaborate, but I just don't know how I could explain it any more plainly than I already have.
Your point is if we drill enough to supply us with oil, we will not have to depend on anyone else!! Which is very profound and significant in it’s own little special way, but it’s kinda like saying to cure hunger we should just feed everybody??

Thank you! Thank you to all the little people! My people, my people! Thank you so much, you can send me my Nobelly Pizza Prize, cause I’m going to DisneyUniverse!!

OK for the sake of the argument let’s say that I agree with you and we go punch the crap out of the wilderness, leave a few bald spots here and there, and screw up the mating ritual of several entire species, so we can have all the oil we can process on a daily basis!! OK! Now, we still come up short over 12% (2005) of meeting our needs/demands?? I smell dependency!!!

Now being the take charge kinda guy I know you think you are, you of course will insist ever so simplistically that we need to build more refineries!!

And I am with you up to here!! Now, who will build these refineries and where will they be built, keeping in mind, none of the extremists involved, want any part of it??

The environmentalists don’t want them built because the oil industry has never been responsible when it comes to cleaning up their messes and/or shown any inclination to keeping things tidy, and leaving things as they found them!!

The oil companies don’t want them built, they have major investments in the ME oil interests??

Who will step up and build these much needed refineries, and at what cost???

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Again, I'm not sure who you are debating. If you don't like 1920, then pick 1981 (the height of the oil shock). In 2003, the real price of gas (adjusting for inflation and taxes) was 26% lower than in 1981.

Your claim was that the price of gas "never drops lower than the last significant increase". Obviously it does.
Sorry I didn’t take into account invisible numbers, and the imaginary math, that hid the fact that I had a surplus even though I was paying more?? Thank you for the enlightenment!!

All I know is that back in the 70’s, I, me personally remember paying 24.9 cents per gallon, then later in the 70’s I personally paid up to $1.15!! In the 80’s, up to $1.35 (maybe a little more), in the 90’s up to $1.70 (give or take), now we pay $3.00 and an oil company is giving their top executive a ½ a billion dollars, and telling him that he doesn’t have to go home, but he can’t use the fancy office no more??? I think we have found that inflation problem??

That’s reality, my friend!! If you want to add in for inflation, knock yourself out!!! Has inflation gone up over 1000% since 1970??? You gotta link???

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So that would be a "no" on the evidence, then?
Nope!! Got none on me?? Thanks for bringing it up and bringing it home, by convincing yourself you were right all along??? You should be proud???

So I guess since you skirted my question…;

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Do you believe no judge has ever made a decision based on other beliefs other than the “law”?
…you believe no judge, in the history of the US judicial system, has ever been swayed, for any reason other than the letter of the law???

I thought you didn’t like the control the government has, and wanted them to keep there nose out of businesses business?? Oh but when they give demands based on your opinion, and beneficial to your portfolio, all is well??? Please???

What year was this price gouging accusation against oil companies, brought to the halls of justice??

I's just wondering cause it would be kinda hard to make such an accusation, since the governments definition of price gouging is as followed;

http://www.house.gov/platts/gas_price_gouging.shtml

Gouging is distinct, by definition, from price fixing, which is the collusion of multiple gas stations to set prices. Gouging is an act of an individual station taking advantage of supply problems (or even perceived supply problems). Both are illegal activities that will not be tolerated by federal, state or local authorities.

It’s those evil individual owners, and/or rouge managers, that take advantage of things like, “supply” problems, not the poor oil companies??? Rich executives would never take advantage of their consumers to secure windfall profits (they can use to skim money off the top), jeez just because one of them gets 1/2 a billion dollars, how extremely unfair?? He worked a lot of overtime in the past few years, and earned every penny from the blood of his palms and the sweat on his brow... oh, ah, wait i gotta go, pukes coming up in the back of my throat... uhhh!!!

OK, I'm back!! I had to go wash my mouth out with gasoline!! It only took about $1.32 worth, but it was worth it, and necessary I might add!!!

So you can plainly see that corporate oil companies are exempt, simply by definition?? I guess when corporations do it, it is just considered another pay raise, for executives in particular, who have been known from time to time to share some of those record profits with those pesky investors, and those political prostitutes, but they don’t go crazy with any surpluses, if you know what I mean??? You gotta leave ‘em coming back for more??

Here is the contact information on seeing to it that those evil gas station owners and rouge managers, cutting out the middle man, and taking what rightfully belongs too, those poor oil companies, so we can put an end to these injustices, and to protect the interests of monopolized corporate entities!! Please act responsibly and use this federal service/hotline;

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Price Gouging Reporting Contact Information, please visit the National Association of Attorneys General.
The feds promise to you;
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The Secretary of Energy, the Federal Trade Commission, and the Department of Justice will conduct inquiries, where appropriate, into significant price increases, as it did in summer 2003 and will act to prevent any illegal anticompetitive pricing.
OPEC is in no way in collusion to set prices, there is no one to be in collusion against (except the consumer), they are all in it together and they determine the price that we will pay, competitive or otherwise, period!!! Evidently our Supreme Court condones their anti-competitive nature, unanimously!?!

I think it would be easier to list the branches of government (lately) that has not shown favoritism towards corporate oil companies, above it’s own peoples interests!!!

Wait no wait don’t tell me, that would be “none”!! Whewww, that was a toughie!!!

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Yep, and not one dollar of taxpayer money was needed.
Holy-(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) Batman!! If only we were fighting our dependency on whale oil and wax candles???

I’m not sure what your going for here, living as the wildebeest, scavenging off the land, fighting off natural predators, and killing your neighbor to obtain all the natural resources lying about, takes no taxpayer money either, so what is your point!!

This has reached the level of National Security, which does fall under the responsibility of the government who just by coincidence, happens to pay their bills with taxpayer money!! Comprehendo??

If ingenuity is stifled (naturally or with help of rich corporations), what is wrong with the government giving it a little kick start?? Besides the fact that it goes against the wishes of their corporate bosses!!

Somebody definitely needs to lead follow or get the hell out of the way!!!
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Old 06-02-2006, 08:56 AM
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Nope. My point is above. I would elaborate, but I just don't know how I could explain it any more plainly than I already have.
Your point is if we drill enough to supply us with oil, we will not have to depend on anyone else!!
No, that wasn't my point. But feel free to take another guess.

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Merlin;
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Again, I'm not sure who you are debating. If you don't like 1920, then pick 1981 (the height of the oil shock). In 2003, the real price of gas (adjusting for inflation and taxes) was 26% lower than in 1981.

Your claim was that the price of gas "never drops lower than the last significant increase". Obviously it does.
Sorry I didn’t take into account invisible numbers, and the imaginary math, that hid the fact that I had a surplus even though I was paying more??
I was simply adjusting prices for inflation. I didn't realize this "abstract" concept would frighten and confuse you. And here I was going to show you how to make fire without rubbing 2 sticks together, but I think I'd better refrain.

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So I guess since you skirted my question…;

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Do you believe no judge has ever made a decision based on other beliefs other than the “law”?
…you believe no judge, in the history of the US judicial system, has ever been swayed, for any reason other than the letter of the law???
Yep, I did. You caught me. I skirted your question. Ignored it completely as a matter of fact.

I might be wrong, but I think you're looking for a "no" answer. Okay let's say I answer no. How is this proof of your conspiracy theory, that Big Oil owns the Supreme Court?

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I’m not sure what your going for here, living as the wildebeest, scavenging off the land, fighting off natural predators, and killing your neighbor to obtain all the natural resources lying about, takes no taxpayer money either, so what is your point!!
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My point is that innovation is quite capable of occurring independent of government funding (as was the case with the first oil well drilled in Titusville, PA in 1859).
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You Merlin, you wrote this;
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My point was simply: the more oil produced in the U.S., the less that needs to be imported
So I agree with you;
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Your point is if we drill enough to supply us with oil, we will not have to depend on anyone else!!
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No, that wasn't my point. But feel free to take another guess.
If I cannot repeat what you said and be accurate, guessing something else won’t help either???

I am quite proficient at starting a fire, I have the badges to prove it!! Fake statistics and the mighty balancing inflation act, And the people who use it for convenience, I don’t put any trust in!! But as I said;

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Sorry I didn’t take into account invisible numbers, and the imaginary math, that hid the fact that I had a surplus even though I was paying more?? Thank you for the enlightenment!!

All I know is that back in the 70’s, I, me personally remember paying 24.9 cents per gallon, then later in the 70’s I personally paid up to $1.15!! In the 80’s, up to $1.35 (maybe a little more), in the 90’s up to $1.70 (give or take), now we pay $3.00 and an oil company is giving their top executive a ½ a billion dollars, and telling him that he doesn’t have to go home, but he can’t use the fancy office no more??? I think we have found that inflation problem??

That’s reality, my friend!! If you want to add in for inflation, knock yourself out!!! Has inflation gone up over 1000% since 1970??? You gotta link???
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How is this proof of your conspiracy theory, that Big Oil owns the Supreme Court?
Once again this is your point not mine???

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My point is that innovation is quite capable of occurring independent of government funding (as was the case with the first oil well drilled in Titusville, PA in 1859).
Hopefully we can hold out that long???

Edit; I really want to understand your point of view??? I think that makes two of us???
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Mounting weight of evidence? Which evidence are you referring to? That's the problem. We have much consensus and yet little real evidence. And quite frankly a consensus of scientific opinion isn't worth a whole lot. Popular theories are disproven rather frequently. In fact, in the 1970s, global cooling was a popular theory among scientists.
According to a report commissioned by the US government, it is now clear there is a human contribution to global warming.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4969772.stm
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According to a report commissioned by the US government, it is now clear there is a human contribution to global warming.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4969772.stm
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However, scientists involved in the report say better data is badly needed.
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Peter Thorne, of the UK Meteorological Office, who contributed to the report, ascribes this uncertainty to poor data.
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For Fred Singer, of the Science and Environmental Policy Project, a prominent climate sceptic, this suggests that the report's support for the concept of human-induced climate change is spin rather than substance.

"The basic data in the report is quite OK," he said, "but the interpretation that's been given is different from what the data says.

"In particular, [the authors] suppress the major result of the report; that data do not agree with models."
Also you may have noticed the headline: 'Clear' human impact on climate.

The reporter put the word 'Clear' in quotes, because the matter is in question. The opinion of the authors of a report is not evidence.
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