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By TIM MOLLOY, AP

LOS ANGELES (May 30) - Tempers are rising along with gas prices. Gas stations across the country report that drivers are taking out their gas rage against big oil by yelling at clerks and cashiers and sometimes driving off without paying.

"Everyone is suffering at the same time," said Sam Shirazie, a clerk at a Chevron station east of downtown Los Angeles. "If I could help to reduce that pain, I would."

No detailed statistics are kept on incidents of gas rage. But the National Association of Convenience Stores said anecdotal evidence indicates they have increased since prices began climbing in February.

Employees of Fleming Corp., which operates 14 gas stations in Kansas and Missouri, have heard everything from "just a mumble-grumble kind of thing to a cheap shot or blaming the clerk for world oil prices," owner Ed Roitz said.

Division manager Ron Davis hears complaints firsthand.

"Out of all our customers, probably 1 percent does the loudest squealing," he said. "I don't want to repeat some of it. They'll talk about the blankety-blank oil companies."

The convenience stores association advises store owners to ensure that employees understand the costs associated with gas, and encourages them to explain to customers that in some cases they aren't making any profits despite the soaring price of fuel. Retailers make about two-thirds of their profits from items inside the store, he said.

But, "don't dismiss customer complaints because we're in the customer service business, and anytime you don't address customer complaints they'll go somewhere else," association spokesman Jeff Lenard said.

Steve Grosse is trying humor to defuse tempers. At his Shell station in Manhattan Beach, he replaced the price of gas with the words "arm," "leg" and "first born."

In Los Angeles, Chevron station co-owner Anthony Sinai has started giving free sodas to customers who pump $20 worth of gas. He wants to avoid a repeat of an incident last year when an upset customer threw a cup of coffee at a female clerk and knocked over display items.

Consumers might finally be getting at least a temporary break at the pump. The latest figures released May 21 by the Lundberg Survey indicate the nationwide average price of self-serve regular fell about 1.45 cents in the previous two weeks to $2.93 a gallon - the first dip since the Feb. 24 price of $2.24 began to climb.

Convenience stores that sell gas are responsible for three-quarters of all gas sales in the United States, Lenard said. But only 3 percent of those stations are owned by oil companies.

Sinai said most of his steady customers understand that he makes just a few cents per gallon and that gas prices are controlled by market forces far beyond his control.

"When I explain that to people they're just totally surprised because they expect us to make a lot more money," he said.

Police in Los Angeles and San Diego - the city with the highest gas prices in the nation - haven't noticed any violent trends toward gas station workers. But there have been gas-related crimes around the nation.

In Austin, Texas, a man was arrested this month on suspicion of stealing hundreds of gallons of fuel from underground tanks while posing as a parking lot cleaner. He sold the gas from his driveway, police said.

In Fond du Lac, Wis., the number of reported cases of customers driving off without paying for gas doubled to 100 in the first four months of this year compared to the first four months of 2005, police Maj. Kevin Lemke said.

"We've talked to a lot of the owners that are having problems and made some suggestions like maybe they need to start thinking about pre-pay," Lemke said, "but in a small community like Fond du Lac they don't want to inconvenience even their good customers because of a few bad customers."

Retailers in other areas have had the same problem with pre-pay, the convenience store association said.

Gasoline theft cost the industry an estimated $237 million in 2004, the most recent year for which statistics are available, according to the group. Some retailers have installed security cameras, increased employee monitoring of pumps and advised workers to greet customers to take away their feeling of anonymity.

An incident last August prompted gasoline industry groups to tell workers not to risk lives by trying to stop drive-offs.

In Fort Payne, Ala., station owner Husain "Tony" Caddi, 54, was killed while grabbing the vehicle of a man trying to drive away without paying for $52 worth of gas.

The driver, Alvin Dwight Benefield, 42, pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to five years in prison.

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Wow, some Americans need to put down the gas hose, step away from the vehicle, and take a chill pill. Don't you all know that Japan, and I believe England, too, is forking out at least double what we pay at the pump? When my Japanese mother-in-law visited me in September, she couldn't believe how cheap gas was. Relax people. We will get through this.

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Uk fuel price currently is about £1:00 per litre

So that`d be £3:78 per US gallon

Which converts to $7:12 per US gallon

Sound bad?

I don`t think we`ve seen nuthin` yet.

Nobody really knows how much oil is left but when a consensus is reached that 50% of global supplies has been used then we`ll really see prices rocket.

Once we know we`ve burnt half the oil and we`re starting on the other half, I wouldn`t be surprised to see prices at ten times their current level.
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Uk fuel price currently is about £1:00 per litre

So that`d be £3:78 per US gallon

Which converts to $7:12 per US gallon
Most of that goes directly to the government, not the gas companies, big difference indeed??

If and when we reach the point of "down hill from here", they will not tell us??? They have been using shortages as an excuse since the 70's (all lies), we just keep buying into the price gouging, and pay the cost, whatever it is???

I get a kick out of our politicians who stand before us and declare that they will seek out price gouge’ ers and prosecute those involved, then they turn around and accept as many bribes (political donations) as they can get from the pirates???
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They have been using shortages as an excuse since the 70's (all lies), we just keep buying into the price gouging, and pay the cost, whatever it is???
I suppose we could alway institute price controls. But that didn't work out so well during the Carter administration. There were some pretty outrageous gas lines, (if the station hadn't already run out of gas). I remember hearing that Americans used something like 150,000 barrels of oil per day just idling their cars while waiting in line.

If you want the price of gas to drop, I would recommend doing one or more of the following:

1) Use less. For example, if everyone simply drove the speed limit, the price of gas would plummet dramatically.

2) Lobby your representatives to lift environmentalist restrictions on drilling. (Stuff like ANWR should be a no-brainer.)

3) Lobby your representatives to reduce the tax on gasoline. The government takes more money in taxes out of a gallon of gas than the oil companies take in profits.
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2) Lobby your representatives to lift environmentalist restrictions on drilling. (Stuff like ANWR should be a no-brainer.)
Enviromental concerns outweigh rising fuel prices, IMO.
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Wow, some Americans need to put down the gas hose, step away from the vehicle, and take a chill pill.


I think alot of it is caused by the hype the media applies to it..and not really the prices. I think most people while they of course want lower prices just shrug and move on. A few thogh buy into the OMG the worlds ending and go bonkers.
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1) Use less. For example, if everyone simply drove the speed limit, the price of gas would plummet dramatically.
How would that reduce the cost?? The demand wouldn't be as high and they would have to raise prices to maintain the same cash flow??

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2) Lobby your representatives to lift environmentalist restrictions on drilling. (Stuff like ANWR should be a no-brainer.)
So the drilling would create more oil that needs to be stored as the refineries have plenty of oil, they just can't produce enough to supply the need?? If they had more oil to stockpile costs would also go up as they would need to pay for the storage???

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3) Lobby your representatives to reduce the tax on gasoline. The government takes more money in taxes out of a gallon of gas than the oil companies take in profits.
This seems to make sense but then our politicians would be panicked as to how they would, cover such a bold and generous gesture??? The result would be higher taxes on something else, most likely the middle/lower income families, don't ya think??? Then as soon as the oil companies realize we are paying less when they know we can pay more, they will come up with excuses (terrorism security, storms, storage, to get their greedy hands on the money the government is no longer cheating us out of in the first place???

I would hope that we don't have to resort to price controls, but we (most of the planet) are literally at the mercy of the oil companies until an alternative can replace our dependency!!! Also not good!!!
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How would that reduce the cost?? The demand wouldn't be as high and they would have to raise prices to maintain the same cash flow??
If this statement were true the price of gas would never drop... and yet it does.

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So the drilling would create more oil that needs to be stored as the refineries have plenty of oil, they just can't produce enough to supply the need?? If they had more oil to stockpile costs would also go up as they would need to pay for the storage???
Actually it means they would not have to pay the costs of importing oil from a far away land.

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Then as soon as the oil companies realize we are paying less when they know we can pay more, they will come up with excuses (terrorism security, storms, storage, to get their greedy hands on the money the government is no longer cheating us out of in the first place???

I would hope that we don't have to resort to price controls, but we (most of the planet) are literally at the mercy of the oil companies until an alternative can replace our dependency!!! Also not good!!!
Sorry, but everytime someone investigates oil "price-gouging", they come up with nothing. I know you think this means a cover-up, but you know what? Sometimes, if you keep coming up with nothing, it means that there is nothing to come up with. Most recent example? The Supreme Court's 8 to 0 decision (Justice Alito not yet participating) shot down a claim that oil companies were colluding in setting prices. Liberals and conservatives on the Court were unanimous on this one.

Okay, here's the part where you say the Oil Companies bought the Supreme Court...
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Enviromental concerns outweigh rising fuel prices, IMO.
That's valid. But I believe the impact to the environment has been greatly exagerrated.
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Enviromental concerns outweigh rising fuel prices, IMO.
That's valid. But I believe the impact to the environment has been greatly exagerrated.
I think there`s two issues here.

Localised enviromental damage from drilling and globalised damage from carbon fuels.

Do you consider the first issue to be exagerrated too?

And, whilst I understand that you have not yet been convinced with regards the second, do you not think it wise, considering the mounting weight of evidence in support, the near universal consensus of scientists and the scale of the catastrophe predicted, to consider a moritorium on further expansion and pursue, with all vigour, alternative energy sources? At least until a clearer picture emerges?
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