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A Plan of Action to solve the Economic Crisis


The US and with the the world economy seems to be in deep trouble and the only plan of action those people responsible come forward with is to reward them with even more control of currency and economy so that they get additional power and control to make things even worse than they already are. The logic behind it: in order to solve a problem, strengthen its cause!

In the time when reason was still the ruling principle a famous Latin saying was; sublata cause, tollitur effectus (the cause removed, the effect ceases). That is how problems are solved. But somehow solving the problem does not seem to be the goal and the new principle appears to be; confirmat causa, tollitur effectus (strengthen the cause, the effect ceases). It really does not take a degree in economics to come to the obvious conclusion that this new principle will not work and was never meant to actually solve a problem.

A cure for the US economy would have to look like the fallowing:

1) Ending the import of junk from China and other slave colonies in favor of rebuilding a domestic production sector.

# An economy without anything to export being totally dependent on huge foreign imports can not work properly. Sending most productive jobs which actually created something that could be exported to foreign countries and thus created wealth was a sure recipe for disaster and that is precisely what is currently happening. A economy can not run successfully only with jobs in the service industry and government bureaucracy because those are “dead-jobs”, dead in the sense that they do not actually produce anything in surplus value. And yet, people in those jobs receive money and consume which creates huge trade deficits as long as the products and goods they consume were not produced domestically. The import from such third world countries could be counteracted either by a total import stop or by a huge tax (25-50%) on goods and products not produced in the US. Such a tax would ensure that even the cheapest slave/child worker in a third world hell hole could no longer produce less expensive than a domestic worker.

2) Sending all those illegal immigrants and other parasites feeding on the system back where they came from.

# That is a no-brainer, those who take without providing anything beneficial in return only damage the system and should be send back to where they came from. Arguments like they provide needed cheep labor are nonsense because the cheep labor they provide actually only damages the economy further by decreasing the average standard of living which drives people into poverty.

3) Abolish the Federal Reserve.

# This point does not need much explanation either, sublata cause, tollitur effectus! The economy was fine before the FED was established and the currency will again become stable once it is abolished and those private thief’s are prevented from further causing more inflation by endlessly creating money out of thin air for their own ends. It is worth to note that the FED was officially established to keep the currency stable while in reality all available date show that it was precisely the other way around and that the currency continuously lost value ever since the FED was established almost 1000 years ago. The amount of silver in 1$ silver coin before the FED was established, the raw material value only, is today worth something between 20 and 35$! The silver did not become more expensive but the purchasing power of the dollar declined and this example is a good indicator of the real decline in dollar value the FED brought about in the last 100 years. 1$ pre-1917 = 20-35$ today - 1$ today = ~5 cents in 1917.


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“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” — Thomas Jefferson

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End those useless wars which only increse the nation debt

# What the hell are you doing in the Middle East? Fighting wars to create a Jewish hegemony there by destabilizing all other regional players? What good does it does to your nation? Precisely, none! Not just that those are illegal and immoral wars of aggression, they also hold no benefit while requiring astronomical amounts of money.

5) Abolish public education in favor of a system which actually educates and which produce output that can compete internationally so that you again become a nation of inventors and producers instead of stupid and fat consumer drones.

# Another no-brainer, keeping people stupid and uneducated means not using their full potential and thus wasting recourses that could otherwise be put to use. As higher the average level of education and intelligence in the population as higher the standard of living. Nations full of stupid and ignorant fools are poor and those full of intelligent and educated people are rich, it is as simply as that. Intelligence and knowledge are the most important recourses in a modern economy. Not educating people to their full potential is like sending man into war without training, it means throwing them away and wasting their life’s.

6) Banish the Jews to Palestine and either divide the wealth with they have stolen among the generell population, currently around 90% of all the wealth in the US, or use it to repay the astronomical debt which they created. Both in the end comes down pretty much to the same since the citizens after all are those which have to pay for the national deficit in one way of another.

# Another no-brainer, again; sublata cause, tollitur effectus! They are the cause of all the other causes. The root of the whole problem.
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This really really simple plan of action containing only 6 points could solve the economical crisis in a lasting manner. It is really not so hard, you look at those causes responsible for the problem and than you use the most logical and direct remedies to solve them. Sublata cause, tollitur effectus! The most simply and direct solution is usually the best choice, and the most simple and logical explanation usually the most accurate.

I almost feel ashamed to actually present all those logical no-brainer as plan of action because anyone with half a brain and some economic basics should be able to come up with the same. It really makes you wonder what is going on in the world! All those self proclaimed economic experts with their complicated sounding nonsense, always lacking substance and never actually touching the real issues, should be ashamed of themselves and actually all be sentenced for treason because that is precisely what they are committing by aiding the plundering of the people with their disinfo and distractions leading away from the real issues and problems at hand.

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It all sounds very good its practical yet aggressive sure to put some cash back into the system. exept that last part you'll need to explain that one to me how do jews own 90% of the money?
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Yeah kudos, hey what about Bill Gates, um Queen of England, o yeah and how many Jewish celebrities are there (comparitivily), etc

By the way a plan like this was used once: by Hoover, didnt work.
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it seems as though the states which have the so called ECONOMIC CRISIS are (for the most part) BLUE states.

Has ANYONE else noticed that?

Last Sunday we were in an IHOP and at 2:30 in the afternoon (well past lunch time) they still had over 40 minute waiting list ...

... and we went to an Italian chain restaurant about 8pm and had over 25 minute wait time (and they close at 10pm) ...

with all this wait time - where is the crisis?

okay - housing market is sluggish here ... it took a guy a couple doors down almost 3 weeks to sell his house at a fairly health profit! ... after all expenses he made about 20 grand
... but it is a lower end home and he only had it for a couple years ...

these don't sell like the ones across the way that are worth 300 to 800 grand - those sell fast!
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1) Ending the import of junk from China and other slave colonies in favor of rebuilding a domestic production sector.

# An economy without anything to export being totally dependent on huge foreign imports can not work properly. Sending most productive jobs which actually created something that could be exported to foreign countries and thus created wealth was a sure recipe for disaster and that is precisely what is currently happening. A economy can not run successfully only with jobs in the service industry and government bureaucracy because those are “dead-jobs”, dead in the sense that they do not actually produce anything in surplus value.
I didn't know you were Marxist. His views are a little outdated though... Marx believed that added value could only be generated by "productive" work. Following that logic, the countries that work "productive" must be the one's generating the most output. In reality, the opposite is correct.
Services are precisely not "dead-jobs", they generate a value as well (even more than productive labor) - and an added value by technological progress and more efficient organization.
Wake up, Marx is dead!

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And yet, people in those jobs receive money and consume which creates huge trade deficits as long as the products and goods they consume were not produced domestically. The import from such third world countries could be counteracted either by a total import stop or by a huge tax (25-50%) on goods and products not produced in the US. Such a tax would ensure that even the cheapest slave/child worker in a third world hell hole could no longer produce less expensive than a domestic worker.
So you want to save Americas economy by producing cheap articles domestically? Haha! Whos is going to buy all the plastic crap and clothes after the prices doubled or tripled? Please tell me you weren't being serious!
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I didn't know you were Marxist. His views are a little outdated though... Marx believed that added value could only be generated by "productive" work. Following that logic, the countries that work "productive" must be the one's generating the most output. In reality, the opposite is correct.
Services are precisely not "dead-jobs", they generate a value as well (even more than productive labor) - and an added value by technological progress and more efficient organization.
Wake up, Marx is dead!


So you want to save Americas economy by producing cheap articles domestically? Haha! Whos is going to buy all the plastic crap and clothes after the prices doubled or tripled? Please tell me you weren't being serious!
I think that a tariff would be helpful to fix the trade imbalance, but the main idea of a tariff wouldn't be for the US to produce cheap items, but instead produce products that require more education. We can't compete with China in creating 2 cent toys, unless we had a huge tariff, but then we would have to buy the inneficently created products.

There is nothing wrong with free trade and buying products that you don't produce on your own but the problem is that we aren't exporting anything to make up for what we buy. The United States needs a niche in the global market so we can export something, and a tariff is the first step to give those companies a strong start. If we could export computers, or even more grain than we could import more cheap products from China without destroying the dollar.

Service jobs are incredibly productive because many of them involve how great investments are carried out but most of them still do not bring in much revenue from imports, whereas production jobs do. Just enough production jobs to fix a trade imbalance would be the best job strategy for the United States right now.
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A Plan of Action to solve the Economic Crisis


The US and with the the world economy seems to be in deep trouble and the only plan of action those people responsible come forward with is to reward them with even more control of currency and economy so that they get additional power and control to make things even worse than they already are. The logic behind it: in order to solve a problem, strengthen its cause!
The world economy as such is not in much trouble. It is mainly the US economy which is trouble.
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In the time when reason was still the ruling principle a famous Latin saying was; sublata cause, tollitur effectus (the cause removed, the effect ceases). That is how problems are solved. But somehow solving the problem does not seem to be the goal and the new principle appears to be; confirmat causa, tollitur effectus (strengthen the cause, the effect ceases). It really does not take a degree in economics to come to the obvious conclusion that this new principle will not work and was never meant to actually solve a problem.
Nice Latin. Not sure what your point is though.
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A cure for the US economy would have to look like the fallowing:

1) Ending the import of junk from China and other slave colonies in favor of rebuilding a domestic production sector.

# An economy without anything to export being totally dependent on huge foreign imports can not work properly. Sending most productive jobs which actually created something that could be exported to foreign countries and thus created wealth was a sure recipe for disaster and that is precisely what is currently happening. A economy can not run successfully only with jobs in the service industry and government bureaucracy because those are “dead-jobs”, dead in the sense that they do not actually produce anything in surplus value. And yet, people in those jobs receive money and consume which creates huge trade deficits as long as the products and goods they consume were not produced domestically. The import from such third world countries could be counteracted either by a total import stop or by a huge tax (25-50%) on goods and products not produced in the US. Such a tax would ensure that even the cheapest slave/child worker in a third world hell hole could no longer produce less expensive than a domestic worker.
The Chinese economy is not booming because it generally produces crap for export. It is booming and has been booming for well over a decade because it produces products the world wants at very affordable prices.

And in your world, how exactly would you "end Chinese imports"? Through a protectionist trade barrier?
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2) Sending all those illegal immigrants and other parasites feeding on the system back where they came from.

# That is a no-brainer, those who take without providing anything beneficial in return only damage the system and should be send back to where they came from. Arguments like they provide needed cheep labor are nonsense because the cheep labor they provide actually only damages the economy further by decreasing the average standard of living which drives people into poverty.
Securing your borders, almost the definition of a sovereign state, would be a good idea.
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3) Abolish the Federal Reserve.

# This point does not need much explanation either, sublata cause, tollitur effectus! The economy was fine before the FED was established and the currency will again become stable once it is abolished and those private thief’s are prevented from further causing more inflation by endlessly creating money out of thin air for their own ends. It is worth to note that the FED was officially established to keep the currency stable while in reality all available date show that it was precisely the other way around and that the currency continuously lost value ever since the FED was established almost 1000 years ago. The amount of silver in 1$ silver coin before the FED was established, the raw material value only, is today worth something between 20 and 35$! The silver did not become more expensive but the purchasing power of the dollar declined and this example is a good indicator of the real decline in dollar value the FED brought about in the last 100 years. 1$ pre-1917 = 20-35$ today - 1$ today = ~5 cents in 1917.
Nothing wrong with the Federal Reserve. All countries in the western world have one.
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End those useless wars which only increse the nation debt
Yes, ending useless and very expensive wars would be a good idea.
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5) Abolish public education in favor of a system which actually educates and which produce output that can compete internationally so that you again become a nation of inventors and producers instead of stupid and fat consumer drones.

# Another no-brainer, keeping people stupid and uneducated means not using their full potential and thus wasting recourses that could otherwise be put to use. As higher the average level of education and intelligence in the population as higher the standard of living. Nations full of stupid and ignorant fools are poor and those full of intelligent and educated people are rich, it is as simply as that. Intelligence and knowledge are the most important recourses in a modern economy. Not educating people to their full potential is like sending man into war without training, it means throwing them away and wasting their life’s.
Nothing wrong with public education. Just fund them properly, like for example most European countries do.
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6) Banish the Jews to Palestine and either divide the wealth with they have stolen among the generell population, currently around 90% of all the wealth in the US, or use it to repay the astronomical debt which they created. Both in the end comes down pretty much to the same since the citizens after all are those which have to pay for the national deficit in one way of another.

# Another no-brainer, again; sublata cause, tollitur effectus! They are the cause of all the other causes. The root of the whole problem.
Uh, are you a Nazi? What a ridiculous statement.
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This really really simple plan of action containing only 6 points could solve the economical crisis in a lasting manner. It is really not so hard, you look at those causes responsible for the problem and than you use the most logical and direct remedies to solve them. Sublata cause, tollitur effectus! The most simply and direct solution is usually the best choice, and the most simple and logical explanation usually the most accurate.

I almost feel ashamed to actually present all those logical no-brainer as plan of action because anyone with half a brain and some economic basics should be able to come up with the same. It really makes you wonder what is going on in the world! All those self proclaimed economic experts with their complicated sounding nonsense, always lacking substance and never actually touching the real issues, should be ashamed of themselves and actually all be sentenced for treason because that is precisely what they are committing by aiding the plundering of the people with their disinfo and distractions leading away from the real issues and problems at hand.

http://metadave.wordpress.com/2008/0...onomic-crisis/
You should feel embarresed. You haven't mentioned even one thing of true relevance aside from dropping expensive wars.

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I think that a tariff would be helpful to fix the trade imbalance, but the main idea of a tariff wouldn't be for the US to produce cheap items, but instead produce products that require more education.
We can't compete with China in creating 2 cent toys, unless we had a huge tariff, but then we would have to buy the inneficently created products.
A tariff means inefficiency, you figured that out correctly, but it could never ever help you establish an export-sector. That's the point of a tariff, to save products, that aren't competitive on the world market otherwise...

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There is nothing wrong with free trade and buying products that you don't produce on your own but the problem is that we aren't exporting anything to make up for what we buy. The United States needs a niche in the global market so we can export something, and a tariff is the first step to give those companies a strong start.
Remember, a niche in the global market doesn't need any protection at all.
The very first step is to figure out where to compete, it needs to be a sector where Americas productivity overlay covers the cost advantage of the competiors from Far East. After that, the expectations of longterm benefits will take care of the rest - no tariffs needed...

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If we could export computers, or even more grain than we could import more cheap products from China without destroying the dollar.
But y'all cant though - this is just hypothetical...

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Service jobs are incredibly productive because many of them involve how great investments are carried out but most of them still do not bring in much revenue from imports, whereas production jobs do. Just enough production jobs to fix a trade imbalance would be the best job strategy for the United States right now.
Just don't underastimate the commerce with services, especially the New Economy services - that sector has huge growth rates compared with the production sector. The US is pretty dominat there, y'all should pretty much zoom in on that - the weak dollar right now takes care of the rest...
The trade deficit doesn't worry me too much anyway though.
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A tariff means inefficiency, you figured that out correctly, but it could never ever help you establish an export-sector. That's the point of a tariff, to save products, that aren't competitive on the world market otherwise...

Remember, a niche in the global market doesn't need any protection at all.
The very first step is to figure out where to compete, it needs to be a sector where Americas productivity overlay covers the cost advantage of the competiors from Far East. After that, the expectations of longterm benefits will take care of the rest - no tariffs needed...
I agree with you that if we had a niche in the global market a tariff wouldn't be needed, but a tariff would give support to companies that produce goods, and maybe when they are large enough they will be globally competative. For instance, the US had large tariffs when the country was young so the industries could grow to when they were globally competative later. If the tariffs weren't enacted than there would be no buissines to export anything later.


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Just don't underastimate the commerce with services, especially the New Economy services - that sector has huge growth rates compared with the production sector. The US is pretty dominat there, y'all should pretty much zoom in on that - the weak dollar right now takes care of the rest...
The trade deficit doesn't worry me too much anyway though.[/quote]

The problems with the weakened dollar would happen on their own, if a tariff is increased or not, but we are just living on borrowed time untill the dollar does weaken enough.

I am also wondering if a weakened US dollar would have negative effects
besides making it harder to import products. I am unsure of any, but it seems like that some more would exist. If there isn't any than I would be more alright if the US dollar is weakened.

If a tariff is increased right now it would not only increase the costs of importing products, which you are saying would happen naturally anyway, but it would give money to people in the US to buy more products overseas. The increased revenue from the jobs that were originally done overseas would also allow the US to purchase more products from other countries.
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3) Abolish the Federal Reserve.

# This point does not need much explanation either, sublata cause, tollitur effectus! The economy was fine before the FED was established and the currency will again become stable once it is abolished and those private thief’s are prevented from further causing more inflation by endlessly creating money out of thin air for their own ends. It is worth to note that the FED was officially established to keep the currency stable while in reality all available date show that it was precisely the other way around and that the currency continuously lost value ever since the FED was established almost 1000 years ago. The amount of silver in 1$ silver coin before the FED was established, the raw material value only, is today worth something between 20 and 35$! The silver did not become more expensive but the purchasing power of the dollar declined and this example is a good indicator of the real decline in dollar value the FED brought about in the last 100 years. 1$ pre-1917 = 20-35$ today - 1$ today = ~5 cents in 1917.
yeah abolish the brainchild of probaly the smartest economists ever!
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