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Old 04-24-2008, 04:00 PM
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One way or the other, American workers don't mean crapola. http://news.smh.com.au/pfizer-to-cut...0307-1xq7.html don't we give these thieves billions in tax breaks for R&D? Of course we get it back in campaign coffers.
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Maybe thier bailing out before out healthcare gets socialized. But is escaping to communism better? I some how doubt it.

Your dead right about the tax breaks and the politicians pockets getting lined, for once we've found common ground.
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Outsourcing is just another way of saying "moving our opperations to a lower cost area".

This has been happening since before the US was invented and all through its existince. What seems to be the problem now?

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Outsourcing is just another way of saying "moving our opperations to a lower cost area".

This has been happening since before the US was invented and all through its existince. What seems to be the problem now?
The problem is outsourcing puts American lives and America's soverignty in-danger.


Whose side are you on? The side of money or the side of the motherland?


I'd rather be a nationalist then a mercenary. Capitalists would sell us the rope we use to hang them with.


Capitalism is a fine system as long as there are some common sense regulations. One which includes strict tariffs. This is not done to provoke an idea that capitalism is evil. But that America deserves a chance to be a thriving, long-lasting nation.


If all our companies take their business overseas. America doesn't survive. Oh sure, McDonalds might, but who cares?


A company should not live longer then the country it was born in.
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The problem is outsourcing puts American lives and America's soverignty in-danger.
In what sense?
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Whose side are you on? The side of money or the side of the motherland?
I'm on the side of prosperity to everyone.
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I'd rather be a nationalist then a mercenary. Capitalists would sell us the rope we use to hang them with.
Why would you wish the death of Capitalists? They are the reason you are doing as well as you do.
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Capitalism is a fine system as long as there are some common sense regulations. One which includes strict tariffs. This is not done to provoke an idea that capitalism is evil. But that America deserves a chance to be a thriving, long-lasting nation.
Raw capitalism certainly needs to have certain brakes to make it a good way of doing the best for the most possible. Such brakes exist.
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If all our companies take their business overseas. America doesn't survive. Oh sure, McDonalds might, but who cares?
America survives quite well. The reason is that those people who are earning dollars to do the job previously done by Americans need to use the dollars they earn on something that dollars can buy. And aside from oil, American dollars can only buy American products.
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A philosophical statement I have no opinion on, one way or the other.
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I think that at its core, Capitalism is a good system.

I think the same thing about Socialism as well.

But both are flawed. Capitalism is great in the sense that it rewards hard work, and essentially has no ceiling that limits just how high one can go (meaning in wealth earned)

Its flawed however because when you put corporate CEO's in charge they are going to do what is best for them and their share holders....Which is fine if your one of the wealthy, however if your one of the poor you get left out in the cold.

Socialism is great in the sense that everyone is an equal and you dont have the divisiveness that Capitalism has. You dont have to work quite as hard because your not competing with anyone.

On the flip side though you still have the very powerful (in this case the govt) living a life of luxury while everyone else just kind of lives "ok".

It also doesnt reward hard work quite as much and for those who want to work hard to stand out from the crowd and maybe have a little bit extra it becomes very hard to do.

Im the type of person who wants to work hard for what I have, and when I am finished working hard I want to have a lot to show for it. So I probably prefer Capitalism in that regard.

However I also support taking care of societies weakest links and will sacrifice some of my own money to support those people (such as universal health care which doesnt benefit me at all because my wife is a registered nurse and we have awesome health care already).

So I kind of support both here, I guess that means I support Capitalism...but with some limits and a SMALL amount of wealth distribution.
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Capatalism is a danger if you outsource certain things. However since we should have neighbors at least cranking out generics we don't have a national security issue with this.

There is a question of the sorts of jobs going abroad here. OUtsourcing lousy jobs could be good for America.

Outsourcing good engineering jobs however could be a bad thing for us in the long run.
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Capatalism is a danger if you outsource certain things. However since we should have neighbors at least cranking out generics we don't have a national security issue with this.

There is a question of the sorts of jobs going abroad here. OUtsourcing lousy jobs could be good for America.

Outsourcing good engineering jobs however could be a bad thing for us in the long run.
i agree. i think we should also focus on bringing foreigners into the country that are not mexicans with the IQ of an armadillo. im sure many engineers in less fortunate countries would want to live and work in the US. lets face it, our education sucks and theres no way were going to be able to stay ahead of the world if we dont import smart people and get rid of the stupid illegal, undeserving illegals.
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