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  1. Default Utah now requires school teach US is republic not democracy!

    This is a good enough reason to move to Utah, if you have school aged children.

    Utah to require teaching that US is a Republic, not a Democracy (Three cheers for Utah!)



    This is a good enough reason to move to Utah, IMO. The misapplication of the word "democracy" and the resultant fetish that our political culture has with the term has frustrated me for years.
    What people seem to not understand is what democracy really means. Benjamin Franklin described it as "two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner." I think that's pretty accurate. Democracy can justify anything, even the most abhorrent behavior, by getting 51% of the people to support the abhorrent behavior. In a true democracy, a majority dictates morality. It's right if 51% of people agree with you, or so the logic goes.
    According to the Salt Lake Tribune, March 8, a bill requiring Utah schools to teach that the United States is a republic and not a democracy, is being sent to the governor for his signature, after being passed in both houses of the state legislature.
    HB 220 underwent weeks of debate over the definitions of different forms of government, and whether or not socialism is a form of government or a philosophy. Opponents claimed that the billís concepts are already being taught in schools and that the legislature neednít be involved in curriculum matters, but on Monday, bill sponsor Republican Sen. Mark Madsen (pictured above) defended the necessity of the bill, saying some states indoctrinate children in socialism:
    This is happening at least in some places in our country, so I believe this is all the more important in this state, so that we can protect our children from such curriculum.
    The CATO Institute describes it thus:

    The Constitution of the United States established the basic structure of a compound republic, a federal structure in which there are two or more levels of government [state and federal], each of which has the primary if not sole authority for a specific set of collective decisions. The U.S. federal structure is characterized by a separation of powers within the federal government and between the federal and state governments.

    In many respects, democracy is becoming the current de facto form of American government (impeded only by the clever roadblocks inserted into our Constitution by our Founders) and needs no elaboration as to how itís not working. Constitutionalists who know or remember the concept of separation of powers, and understand why itís important to recognize America as a republic, find Utahís news refreshing, and hope that other states will follow suit.
    This bill in Utah is a great step in the right direction.
    It's high time that the leaders of America realize and acknowledge what made America great, and it wasn't democracy. It was our Constitution, which places limits on democracy and (theoretically, at least) protects individual rights. It hasn't been perfect, but it made us the greatest nation on earth, for as long as we held it dear. Maybe we should try to get back to what works.
    ďIf you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.Ē

    Joseph Goebbels


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    If what you print is factual. It is a prime example of when a group within the government (DOE and it's unions) is out of control from those who are obligated to oversee it’s regulation. And where the tax payer has allowed the school system to be too big to fail, and has no ability to provide their input or opposition. That is a run away school system and will become the norm for many states.

    America’s taxpayers are losing the race for power against itself.
    Last edited by Clint Torres; May 09 2011 at 05:26 PM.

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    The U.S. is a republic.
    The truth is neither right or left...it is the truth.

    Forget about the mule, load the cart!

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    Quote Originally Posted by politicalcenter View Post
    The U.S. is a republic.
    I agree, but you lose your Constitutional rights and freedom when government is restricted from it's own ability to regulate and monitor the agent (DOE), it funds with your tax dollars. I agree that republic is the term chosen. I have no problem with that. My issue is when a Imperial entity begins to form within the government and will upset the balance of rights to sway it in their favor for political gain.

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    Kinda like what happened in Rome?

    Been worried about it for years.
    The truth is neither right or left...it is the truth.

    Forget about the mule, load the cart!

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    We are democratic though. The change is kinda useless.
    Forever Forward

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Zero View Post
    We are democratic though. The change is kinda useless.
    Technically this a Federal Presidential Democratic Republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    Technically this a Federal Presidential Democratic Republic.
    In other words, it doesn't really matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kranes56 View Post
    In other words, it doesn't really matter.
    Well it does matter for taxonomic purposes, but the Utahns are correct in emphasizing the checks placed on the people in a democratic republic versus full democracy.

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    The distinction matters. We are a democratic Republic.

    Govt used to be a required course in high school. So was economics. They should be again. Our kids are not getting a complete education.

    Those of us who make the effort to teach our kids this at home are giving them an edge that is priceless. The NEA is too wrapped up in the liberal, revisionist history, agenda, they're screwing the kids. The teachers who don't agree with the liberal white-wash, really don't have enough influence to change it.
    Civil debate is expected.
    Fair warning: trolling and personal attacks will get you nowhere, and I will report you
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