The theory of evolution has been proven false by the facts many times over. The only thing that keeps it going now is pure propaganda.

It would be a misconception to believe that naturalism embodies the very essence of scientific objectivity. The entire religion, or philosophy of naturalism is built on a faith based premise.

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There are far more christians than there are scientists and even more than there are ones who study evolution.

Evolution was never shown in the media as the next big thing it was never promoted it just made sense! to imagine creationism is being outnumbered by evil evolutionists is riddiculous the only reason its taught in schools is that it gives an answer thats not "God made it now shut up" if there was genuine evidence against it and creationism had some actual proof then it would have destroyed evolution a thousand times by know..

This thread is hilarious.

Evolution is such a beautiful and elegant process. Do yourself a favor and try to understand it. You won't go to hell if you do.

You have no understanding of how evolution works. Everything you posted above is a false arguement that shows just how ignorant you are of what the Theory of Evolution actually says.

Evolution says nothing about animals coming from rocks. That would be the theory of Abiogenesis which is completely independent of the ToE.

Evolution doesn't say that animals lived for a 1000 years. It says that populations of animals changed over sucessive generations taking millions of years.

And you are aware that there are animals today that have both gills and lungs and can breate air and water, right?

You need to learn more about Evolution before you pass judgement on whether or not it can be taught.

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It is precisely the other way around, empty emotional propaganda and false claims appear to be the only weapons the other side has to counter the logic and reason of Darwin's theory. Instead of arguments they present pictures of Hitler and Stalin and claim the ridiculously nonsense that Darwin's theory is responsible for their actions - it can not get any lower!

They never tell you that genetics are similar topics were banned in the Soviet union and that scientists in those fields were send into the gulags because those facts contradict their nonsense. Intellectual dishonesty and false claims apparently is all they are able to present in favor of their nonsense!



I agree, the whole creationist nonsense always makes me think of the "world is flat dogma" in the middle ages!

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Facts do tend to get in the way of the faulty logic and false *theory* used by todays evolutionists. Like the fact that Darwin believed in a Creator, capitol "C". If you would have read the origin of species, you would know this. Even he would disagree with your brand of evolution.

"To my mind it accords better with what we know of the laws impressed on matter by the Creator......... There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved." (Darwin Origin of species)

Even thought both Hitler and Stalin were heavily motivated by the theory of evolution...

http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

...this is not the argument made to discredit evolution. If this is what you really believe, with all due respect, you are unqualified to comment in this matter.

Actually, the Bible says that the world is round. Science caught up with the Bible about when, oh, the middle ages (wink).

BTW,the theory of evolution can stand or fall on it's own. Your not passing over this inconvenient simple truth would be the intellectually honesty thing to do. Agreed?

Now, since it is fact that we are dealing with, lets start with this.

The notion that natural evolutionary processes can account for the origin of all living species has never been and never will be established as fact. Nor is it "scientific" in any true sense of the word. Science deals with what can be observed and reproduced by experimentation. The origin of life can be neither observed nor reproduces in any laboratory. By definition, then, true science can give us no knowledge whatsoever about about where we came from or how we got here. Belief in evolutionary theory is a matter of sheer faith. And dogmatic belief in any naturalistic theory is no more "scientific" than any other kind of religious faith." (Macarthur)

What say you?


One must make a distinction between macro evolution.

Microevolution- this is when organisms adapt to the changing conditions of the environment. It improves existing genes. It does not create new genes. An example that illustrates this is the classic peppered moth argument. Basically, when the trees are white, there are more white moths, conversely when the trees were turned black by pollution at the turn of the century, more black moths survived simply from being harder to see, not changing into a different moth. The moths are still moths, not a new creature.

Macroevolution-the changes within species that results in a new and separate species. An example of this would be a fish evolving into a bird. This has never been proven or observed in nature.

Micro is witnessed in nature every day. Nobody denies it. Macro has no proof, and has relied on muddying the waters between the two, and a propaganda campaign to hide the truth from the general public.

There has never been observed even a single example of a mutation that has actually improved the genetic code by adding new meaningful information. But because examples such as the wingless beetles and the peppered moths show physical changes in living creatures, they are still repeatedly used by evolutionists to promote the idea that primitive bacteria have changed so much in the distant past that today they have become people.

Read more about this from the links below.

What say you?


Debunking Evolution: problems, errors, and lies exposed, in plain language for non-scientists
http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32

Problems for the Theory of Evolution
http://www.christiancourier.com/arti...y_of_evolution

The Scientific Case Against Evolution
http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/locke.html

Why Evolution Is Wrong --Problems For Evolution
http://www.trueauthority.com/cvse/fiftyreasons.htm

Science against Evolution
http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/

http://www.geocities.com/reasonstobe...000/index.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/crea...u-fossils.html

Absolutely no evidence of proof evolution has been proven to be impossible.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/mutations.html

How did the theory of evolution last so long without any proof? Here's one example of how they keep the truth from you.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081801680.html

BTW, Ben Stein's new movie "expelled" will show more on this.


That should be enough for now.

Dave

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Interesting post .... .... but .....

FACTS?
... if that is the correct description for the word "FACTS"
... then EVOLUTION has NO PLACE in school.

Science has NEVER been able to show a precise and accurate time line for anything that supposedly evolved.

All their studies have missing links!

Why teach fantasies (things which are not true) to disregard faith?

PS: I am religious!
I religiously eat every day!

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Do we really know the origin of what we call natural laws? In Darwins days basically everyone still believed in a creator.



Excerpt please.


The word "science" originated from the Latin word for knowledge "scientia", basically spoken science is everything that produces knowledge and understanding and therefore the theory of evolution is a science in the true sense of the word because it leads to knowledge and understanding. Many areas of physics, psychology, history, philosophy, and many other areas of science in many cases are no more provable than the theory of evolution because they often deal with things beyond our current reach. It's for example impossible to reproduce or prove the existence of mental illnesses in any scientific way and it is equally impossible to prove or disprove the existence of black holes and many other theories modern physics deals with.



Human races and diseases? Light skin and hair for example, traits based on mutations, increse the attractiveness for the opposite sex and thus create better chances of reproduction. And many diseases evolve constantly to adapt to medication and the attacks by the immune system. Are those not example of improved genetic code by adding new information through a process of mutation?

I'm pretty sure that given some thousand years of isolation the current human races would probably have developed into different species no longer able to produce healthy offspring by crossbreeding.


I read some of your links and I'm not convinced. A lot of pseudo science and to many Jewish sounding names involved to take it seriously. The world really does not need more Jewish a priori junk science. Darwinism may not be fully probable yet but at least it is a theory based on philosophy conform to the laws of reason and logic, creationism on the other hand is based on dogmas and biblical nonsense. Exchanging reason for dogmas is leading backwards. The theory of the flying pasta monster, no less unreasonable than creationism, is at least funny.

Do you honestly believe that there is a big daddy in heaven and whenever he gets bored he creates some new species to see how they fit into the world he created? That when he became bored of the dinosaurs he removed them and tried something new?

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