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beachbum · #21 (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sickntiredofliblies

Since evolution involves so much time, our labs have not existed long enough for such an experiment. We have plenty of evidence that supports evolution while we have a big fat 0 of proving such a creator exists.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comd...ogeography_ex1

im for intelligent design in schools, not creationism... and theres plenty of things that evolution leaves out. can you explain how life evolved from non life? or the evolution of the dna?

BillyBob · #22 (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by beachbum

im for intelligent design in schools, not creationism... and theres plenty of things that evolution leaves out. can you explain how life evolved from non life? or the evolution of the dna?

No, but just because the answers are not yet known is no reason to instantly accredit a creator.

beachbum · #23 (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JMS

theory cannot become fact. theories explain facts or bodies of facts. evolution itself is not a theory, its a phenomenon, something that happens and can be observed; evolutionary theory seeks to explain that phenomenon. evolution has happened <-- thats a fact -- evolution, just the word by itself, does not constitute a fact; similarly, the word, gravity, on its own, is also not a fact.

example facts:

i let go of my ball yesterday and it fell downward.
i let go of my ball last week and it fell downward.
i let go of my ball everyday last year, and every single time, it fell downward.

example theory:

if i let go of my ball, it will fall downward.

gotta crawl before you walk. if you dont know what the words mean, you wont understand the arguments. for a theory to be scientific, the subject of the theory must be a preexisting phenomenon. theres no questioning whether or not evolution happens, its the explanation of the how and why of evolution that evolutionary theory means to explain.

wheres the evidence for irreducible complexity? or specified complexity? if evolution explains life it must explain how it differs from non life and where you draw the line, along with the evolution of non life? can you explain the evolution of non life? intelligent design(im not talking about creationism) offers a much broader perspective on our universe.

beachbum · #24 (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BillyBob

No, but just because the answers are not yet known is no reason to instantly accredit a creator.

thats why im not for creationism!

BillyBob · #25 (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by beachbum

can you explain the evolution of non life?

Big Bang....

BillyBob · #26 (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BillyBob

No, but just because the answers are not yet known is no reason to instantly accredit a creator.

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Originally Posted by beachbum

thats why im not for creationism!

I'm not FOR anything, but would you prefer I write my statement like this?

"Just because the answers are not yet known is no reason to instantly accredit a designer."

Are you suggesting that 'ID' is different than 'Creationsim'?

beachbum · #27 (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BillyBob

Big Bang....

obviously this is a little hard for you to understand.. i didnt ask how non-life started. i asked how it got from the point where it started to the point before it turned into life. according to evolution, life evolves out of need, what was the need for life in the first place? what was the evolutionary catalyst that pushed for non life to change to life?

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Are you suggesting that 'ID' is different than 'Creationsim'?

yes. im agnostic. i dont believe in religion...

JMS · #28 (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by beachbum

wheres the evidence for irreducible complexity? or specified complexity? if evolution explains life it must explain how it differs from non life and where you draw the line, along with the evolution of non life? can you explain the evolution of non life? intelligent design(im not talking about creationism) offers a much broader perspective on our universe.

intelligent design is basically creationism, its just disguised to sound secular. the goal, however, is to push the belief that there was an intelligent designer, a god. if you want to read into it some more, id recommend checking into the kitzmiller v dover case.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dover/day1am.html

thats great that it offers a broader perspective, but it isnt science and does not belong in a classroom dedicated to science.

BillyBob · #29 (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by beachbum

obviously this is a little hard for you to understand..

No, not at all.

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i didnt ask how non-life started. i asked how it got from the point where it started to the point before it turned into life.

Here is your quote:
"can you explain the evolution of non life?"

I almost didn't answer because your question is very unspecific. Perhaps you'd like to take another stab at it?

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according to evolution, life evolves out of need,

Never heard that one before.

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what was the need for life in the first place? what was the evolutionary catalyst that pushed for non life to change to life?

Perhaps the universe is filled with life, not out of need, but simply because it can be.

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yes. im agnostic. i dont believe in religion...

I see. So who, in your ID view, is the Intelligent Designer?

Link S. · #30 (**permalink**) 04-01-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JMS

that you would say its not proven because its theory shows how little you know of science. link s, yes, i already answered that. intelligent design isnt science.

You didn't answer my question "Why not?"

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