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Old 04-02-2008, 05:20 AM
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I believe in intelligent design and I also believe that evolution was used to bring the world about to its present state. The only species that doesn't have a solid transition species is the human being ever heard of the "missing link"?
Sorry, but there is evidence for the transition. I'm sure I could never show enough evidence to convince you otherwise, so I'm not going to start beating this dead horse and this will be my last post in this thread. But I'll leave you with this little bit of information about the transition of man.

Why do all Apes have 48 chromosomes except for man which has only 46? Well if the theory of evolution were true, this would mean that at one time humans would have had 48. Well where is the evidence?

Scientist predicted that there must have been a fusion of one of the pairs of chromosomes.

They found evidence of such in human chromosome # 2. Below is a picture of the human chromosome in question (along with the similar two chromosomes from the chimpanzee, gorilla, and orangutan)

Our closest relative is the chimpanzee. Note the similarities between H and C.

And before you say anything about reproduction. Yes, some with off chromosomes can't reproduce fertile offspring (the mule), but some can. Such example is the Przewalski wild horse and the domestic horse which have 66 and 64 respectively. They can reproduce fertile offspring.
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Old 04-02-2008, 09:50 AM
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Sorry, but there is evidence for the transition. I'm sure I could never show enough evidence to convince you otherwise, so I'm not going to start beating this dead horse and this will be my last post in this thread. But I'll leave you with this little bit of information about the transition of man.

Why do all Apes have 48 chromosomes except for man which has only 46? Well if the theory of evolution were true, this would mean that at one time humans would have had 48. Well where is the evidence?

Scientist predicted that there must have been a fusion of one of the pairs of chromosomes.

They found evidence of such in human chromosome # 2. Below is a picture of the human chromosome in question (along with the similar two chromosomes from the chimpanzee, gorilla, and orangutan)

Our closest relative is the chimpanzee. Note the similarities between H and C.

And before you say anything about reproduction. Yes, some with off chromosomes can't reproduce fertile offspring (the mule), but some can. Such example is the Przewalski wild horse and the domestic horse which have 66 and 64 respectively. They can reproduce fertile offspring.
You don't need to convince me of evolution I already believe it but you can't convince me humans evolved from apes not even the leading scientists in evolution believe this. Look it up there is no solid transition species that relates prehistoric man to modern man.
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Exactly why I don't understand why you refuse to answer the question it all fits in with science.
no it doesnt. intelligent design doesnt explain anything, instead it claims something cannot be explained. this is why an intelligent design advocate, michael behe, wanted to literally redefine science to include things like astrology (whats your sign?) just to make this creation myth fit in. if youd read the transcript of the dover trial i linked, you would know this.

humans evolving from apes is an oversimplification, a misrepresentation of evolutionary theory relating to humans. the proposal is that we have common ancestry. a lot of confused people oversimplify this to mean a chimp had a human baby one day, and thats how we came to be. thats not what evolution is about.

what kind of scientist are you, exactly?
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...you can't convince me humans evolved from apes not even the leading scientists in evolution believe this.
We are part of Hominidae Family (The great apes). We didn't evolve from apes, we are apes. Leading scientists believe this.

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Look it up there is no solid transition species that relates prehistoric man to modern man.
I don't know what you want. Fossils? Here's a short list...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lution_fossils

(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) I lied, I said I wouldn't post any more in this thread. Ok, this time....
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I think the problem that we have is that people don't understand evolution at all.

Modern day humans didn't evolve from Modern day apes, but if you were to go back far enough you would find a common ancestor which branched off to include the families we belong to.

Intelligent Design isn't a scientific theory at all. Therefore it shouldn't be taught at schools. Its a simple as that.

Of course, there is nothing preventing you from believing in evolution and in religion. I know for fact Catholicism accepts evolution, and I'm simplifying here, as the how and God as the why.

Maybe, when teaching evolution, teachers could briefly mention that most religions accept the theory, and that it probably doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs, if you understand it correctly.
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no it doesnt. intelligent design doesnt explain anything, instead it claims something cannot be explained. this is why an intelligent design advocate, michael behe, wanted to literally redefine science to include things like astrology (whats your sign?) just to make this creation myth fit in. if youd read the transcript of the dover trial i linked, you would know this.

humans evolving from apes is an oversimplification, a misrepresentation of evolutionary theory relating to humans. the proposal is that we have common ancestry. a lot of confused people oversimplify this to mean a chimp had a human baby one day, and thats how we came to be. thats not what evolution is about.

what kind of scientist are you, exactly?
I do not follow "astrology" and I do not ask for the literal redefinition of Science. I am mearly saying that Intelligent design is proved by the very methods scientists are using to disprove it. (read earlier posts for details)
I have seen the trial and am even in contact with Kenneth Miller a VIP witness for the trial.
That all depends some consider me a physicist, some biologist but I have many different fields any of which I would be glad to discuss.
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I think the problem that we have is that people don't understand evolution at all.

Modern day humans didn't evolve from Modern day apes, but if you were to go back far enough you would find a common ancestor which branched off to include the families we belong to.

Intelligent Design isn't a scientific theory at all. Therefore it shouldn't be taught at schools. Its a simple as that.

Of course, there is nothing preventing you from believing in evolution and in religion. I know for fact Catholicism accepts evolution, and I'm simplifying here, as the how and God as the why.

Maybe, when teaching evolution, teachers could briefly mention that most religions accept the theory, and that it probably doesn't conflict with your personal beliefs, if you understand it correctly.
The problem is that no one knows the ancestor.
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I do not follow "astrology" and I do not ask for the literal redefinition of Science. I am mearly saying that Intelligent design is proved by the very methods scientists are using to disprove it. (read earlier posts for details)
I have seen the trial and am even in contact with Kenneth Miller a VIP witness for the trial.
That all depends some consider me a physicist, some biologist but I have many different fields any of which I would be glad to discuss.
well, intelligent design doesnt fit with science unless science is redefined (ceases to be science). you should have a chat with kenneth, he will let you know that id is not science.
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The problem is that no one knows the ancestor.
That doesn't negate the fact that there is one.
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LinkS do you believe in separation of church in state? If so then surely you can see why ID has no place in public schools. The only evidence you have is found in a religious book full of uprovable statements. Evidence of science must be proven through mathematic equations and logical reasoning that measures the facts known to be true. Religion cannot provide such an explanation using those measures.
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