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Old 04-04-2008, 05:43 AM
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well, intelligent design doesnt fit with science unless science is redefined (ceases to be science). you should have a chat with kenneth, he will let you know that id is not science.
He has already tried that. The thing is I do not see how it is unscientific to believe that someone created the same expirement used to disprove ID only on a larger scale to start the process of life on earth. I did not Say that God sat there and made every little adaption to life to make it what it is today but I do say that he could have put all the peices into place for the start of life on earth and through natural laws it progressed to modern life.
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That doesn't negate the fact that there is one.
I never said there wasn't all I said was that there is no solid connection from man to beast because no one knows the Ancestor.
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LinkS do you believe in separation of church in state? If so then surely you can see why ID has no place in public schools. The only evidence you have is found in a religious book full of uprovable statements. Evidence of science must be proven through mathematic equations and logical reasoning that measures the facts known to be true. Religion cannot provide such an explanation using those measures.
On the contrary the statements are found to be more and more provable every day through science. Instead of Disproving many aspects of religious texts the scientist are proving more and more that "it could happen"
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I never said there wasn't all I said was that there is no solid connection from man to beast because no one knows the Ancestor.
The 'ancestor' does not need to be know in order to make the connection.

Are you familiar with the human line of evolution?

Here's a good site: http://www.becominghuman.org/
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intelligent design is basically creationism, its just disguised to sound secular. the goal, however, is to push the belief that there was an intelligent designer, a god. if you want to read into it some more, id recommend checking into the kitzmiller v dover case.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dover/day1am.html

thats great that it offers a broader perspective, but it isnt science and does not belong in a classroom dedicated to science.
an intelligent designer doesnt have to be a god. it doesnt have to be an it. how is it that youre the expert into what i believe?
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"can you explain the evolution of non life?"


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I almost didn't answer because your question is very unspecific. Perhaps you'd like to take another stab at it?
sure.. how did life get from rock to man? why did it happen? do you think it was by accident or maybe chance?




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I see. So who, in your ID view, is the Intelligent Designer?
why does it have to be a person or even a thing? you dont think it could be a phenomenon, like gravity?
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Scientists have been able to add vast amounts of energy to a nutrient rich solution and the fundaments of life (I.E. nucleotides) formed in that bath. This however does not mean that God or a Creator could not have done it in planetine preportions.
do you claim that scientists did it without intelligence? theres a difference between a living, intelligent scientist doing it and it happening on its own without intelligent intervention from a living thing..
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He has already tried that. The thing is I do not see how it is unscientific to believe that someone created the same expirement used to disprove ID only on a larger scale to start the process of life on earth. I did not Say that God sat there and made every little adaption to life to make it what it is today but I do say that he could have put all the peices into place for the start of life on earth and through natural laws it progressed to modern life.
thats a possibility, link s. but youre missing the point. science deals in the observable, the testable. you cant observe or test creation. based on the available evidence, there is no reason to believe everything was designed by intelligence. theory of evolution operates on the given fact that evolution has and does happen -- this has been observed and tested, and put to use.
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do you claim that scientists did it without intelligence? theres a difference between a living, intelligent scientist doing it and it happening on its own without intelligent intervention from a living thing..
What? I Said scientists could do it so God could do it that is what I said.
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thats a possibility, link s. but youre missing the point. science deals in the observable, the testable. you cant observe or test creation. based on the available evidence, there is no reason to believe everything was designed by intelligence. theory of evolution operates on the given fact that evolution has and does happen -- this has been observed and tested, and put to use.
Did you not read my earlier post. They proved creation. Scientists created the basics of life in a nutrient rich solution in the same type of atmosphere that ancient earth had. So it is not a matter of proving that creation happened it is a matter of saying did it occur on accident or was the necessities put there by a more intelligent scientist. I know evolution happens I do not dispute this fact I dispute the assumption that ID is impossible because it isn't impossible given the details I provided.
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