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Old 03-11-2004, 11:18 AM
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John McCain is NOT a Republican. The 2000 election showed that much.
What is more accurate is that ultra conservatives have hijacked the Republican party. Pat Robertsons followers started at the grass roots local level with county and state Republican party activities, and built on that to the point where they national part has been taken far to the right of where it was. McCain and Jeffords would have been mainstream Republicans during the 60's and 70's. Now one is an independent and one has been marginalized.

There was a time when there were conservative and liberal wings of the Republican party. Remember Ed Brook, Jacob Javits? NYC mayor John Lindsey was a liberal Republican, and that's what current mayor Bloomberg is, but he is an endagered species and probably won't ever be elected to office outside of the state of NY.

Today, we have a single conservative Democrat in the Senate, and a few moderate Republicans. Other than that, the parties are very polarized, which is a great loss for all IMO.

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The middle has been obliterated in both parties. So, we get the same old rhetoric with little innovation coming from D.C. The public discourse is non-existent, and as a result, more and moderates are becoming rightfully cynical about the process.
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Old 03-12-2004, 03:55 AM
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Rtruth and oddlycalm nailed it. My Senator, Lincoln Chafee, gets blasted all the time because he "didn't support the president", but he's really not much different than his farther. It just the party has shifted far to the right leaving him looking like a lefty. He's for balanced budgets, against unfunded mandates and for a tax break for the middle class, but not for the huge tax cuts for the wealthy that just run up the deficit with their back loading.
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Old 03-13-2004, 11:15 PM
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Check out this article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4506988/

It's rather amusing. You've got to appreciate where McCain's coming from. The C-student former-cokehead hid-in-the-national-guard-whilst-McCain-was-a-POW silver-spoon daddy's-boy beat him out of something he was infinitely more qualified for.

The funny part? As someone who immensely dislikes Bush, I could have stomached McCain. He's someone - while I might disagree with on many issues - I could at least respect. The Republicans would probably have a much stronger chance of keeping the White House if they didn't have someone who was so glaringly catering to the ultra-conservative wing (not to mention big business) in office.
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Old 03-14-2004, 07:44 AM
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Default I have always maintained that if McCain had been the pick

Gore would have lost in a landslide....but, he wasn't in the hip-pocket of corporate america, therefore he wasn't the RNC's fav..and instead they put forth a vacuous nimrod who would do what he was told and stay as far away from a microphone as possible...unless of course he had a favourable crowd and a tele-prompter...
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Old 03-14-2004, 10:40 AM
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But I like the idea of TWO war veterans going up against TWO chickenhawks....
Kerry is obviously mentally scarred from his admitted experience of slaughtering innocents in Nam and McCain?, sorry but no way I would want to see his finger anywhere near the button.
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Old 03-14-2004, 11:31 AM
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But I like the idea of TWO war veterans going up against TWO chickenhawks....
Kerry is obviously mentally scarred from his admitted experience of slaughtering innocents in Nam and McCain?, sorry but no way I would want to see his finger anywhere near the button.
in charge of sending other people to die right???

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Old 03-15-2004, 11:44 PM
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as someone who is left centrist and would've rushed to the front of the line to vote for McCain in '00, do you care to say how exactly the Senator is less qualified for the Presidency of The United States of America than daddy's little boy?
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Old 04-27-2004, 11:55 AM
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Is funny to me.

McCain is a Republican. Get it through your head. Look into his past. Learn who his parents are.

Why do you by into what CNN and FoxNews teases you with?
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John McCain as VP???
Yes please. I'd buy that for a dollar
He would have made a wonderful leader of the freeworld. Senator McCain should have been the republican candidate last election... Too bad the RNC has been hijacked by the neocons.

I hope he does run. VP for kerry would help bring americans together.
Bush has been too divisive for the nation and the world.



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Old 05-02-2004, 03:12 PM
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I can't immagine that McCain wouldn't be competitive as an independent candidate. He disagrees with Bush on enough issues, and plenty of Dems would take him over Kerry.

This guy could be a uniter. I fear that whether it's Bush or Kerry we are going to get stuck with four more years of name-calling and vitriol.
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