http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022100993.html

Hillary's behavior cracks me up. In an obvious attempt to attack her biggest threat, Hillary commands him to give back money from David Geffen over comments Geffen made about the Clintons.
Meanwhile she's also refusing to call her Iraq vote a mistake, giving opportunity for the rest of the party to mock her.
I think Hillary is not going to be #1 for her party's nomination for long. My guess is soon it will be more a contest between Obama and Edwards.

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hillary commands huge negatives ... but those are usually from the same folks who would never vote blue anyway.
hillary has NO charisma. but bill has it in spades for both of them.
you can see that the African-American vote did not swing to Obama. it's not that he isn't black enough, it's just that bill was the most popular president in that community since JFK. hillary reaps the benefit ... at least for now.
there is the 2fer affect ... elect hillary and some think (wrongly) that we also get bill. (bill would love to receive the appointment to the vacated sentate seat given up by hillary if she wins the presidency.)
hillary has a pile of campaign money and bunches of political chits.
she presently owns the democratic machine, such as it is now configured.
and the biggie ... in the privacy of a voting booth, it will be very difficult for many women NOT to vote for a woman as president.

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“Mayor Palin fails to have a firm grasp of something very simple: the truth.”

[Frontiersman editorial, 2/7/97]

Hillary has said that if she knew then what she knows now, she wouldn't have voted to give Bush the authority.... That's as close as she can get to saying she made a mistake. She said (then) that she looked at the intel etc and cast her vote with conviction. She can't say she was fooled because she used intel from her husband's administration, not just Bush's. The accusation is lame. It's just playing semantics to say she has to say the word, "mistake". It's just like when someone says they regret saying something and the other guy says, "but he still needs to apologize". Only the very far left is impressed by the argument - they may very well pick the nominee, but they won't pick the president.

On the other hand, Hillary is just plain idiotic to say that Obama has to give back money from a Bill Clinton critic. She knows it too. It's simply her way of reminding people she's still married to Bill. Smacks of desperation, IMO. Is she gonna whine every time someone criticizes her husband?

Spoken like a true man. I'm not one of those people who point the sexism finger, but seriously. There is just so much wrong with that statement, it'll be hard to list it, but I'll try. First, it makes an assumption that women are led by emotion and not the issues. Second, it makes an assumption that a woman who likes Hillary would not admit it out loud. Third, you are totally leaving out the number of men who could never stomach voting for a woman (let alone Hillary). Fourth, (and admittedly sexist) women know women, ever seen a catfight? I might even suggest that Hillary's negatives with women may be higher than her negatives with men. Women (in general) aren't impressed by a woman riding her husband's coattails or by a woman who remains with a philandering spouse.

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yikes I'm staying out of 12thmom's way on this one ..this sounds personal between her and H.

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justabubba aka "a true man":12thmama:please note use of the expression "many" women. certainly not all. i doubt you would say "none" would be any more valid than "all". and some, to me many, act and react based on emotion. others will vote based on "cuteness"; don't think you will be among them ... it would have to be a cute republican (j/k)

that is a reality, too. again, it is not a universal statement, but there are closet democrats who are married to rabid republican nra members. they would never voice their opinion where he might know of it ... but he will not know how she voted in the private booth (with the possible exception of florida and parts of ohio)

i don't remember saying that. but let me make it clear, on this we have (rare) agreement. there are men who could not cast a ballot for a woman, nor an African-American, nor a homosexual, nor a native Spanish speaker ... for them it would have to be a male wasp. usuallyl these bottomfeeders are referred to as "compassionate conservatives" and othertimes as "republicans" (almost j/k)

being older than dirt, i do agree with part of your premise. it was always easier finding women to date when you were already dating one ... the new one loved the thrill of displacing the former. (i probably just violated the man-rule that says we will not disclose that we know this tendency and excploit it at every opportunity.) but - if hillary's opponent is some turd who would want to legislate what that female voter can do with her body, she may now be inclined to hold her nose and pull the lever knowing she will have helped elect the first woman president of the USA

we part company on this one, all around. hillary has not ridden in on bill's coattail. she is the smarter of the two (and definately the colder). she is smart enough to use the "bill" advantage to her benefit. and you allude to why "bill" as a spouse is not always an asset. if she had divorced her philandering spouse you would have cited that as a negative against her saying she did not live up to her oath of "for better or worse". being someone who has received more than his share of one more last chances from his wife, her not ditching bill is, other than her intellect, the thing that would allow me to strongly support her. besides, eatin aint cheatin

and thanks for the "a true man" compliment. best one i have received in ages, however unintended.
truly, justabubba

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“Mayor Palin fails to have a firm grasp of something very simple: the truth.”

[Frontiersman editorial, 2/7/97]

Change 'many' to 'some' and I'll concede that point.

I'll agree with part of that. But we're not talking about the same man here. The male ego supercedes any other prejudices. Most men don't understand the male ego very well. Women understand it from a very early age. In fact, it's at the root of why men find women 'mysterious'.

No chance of that. My personal religious beliefs allow divorce in the case of unfaithfulness. Besides, divorce is not the vote-killer it used to be. If I thought she stayed married to Bill because of love rather than megalomania, I'd have a different opinion.

Oh no. You did not just say that.

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Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked... in the head... with an iron boot? Of course you don't, no one does. It never happens. It's a dumb question... skip it.

Hillary looks REALLY bad now. She was flushed out of her cat and mouse game by Odumbo's declaration - that makes her look reactive and not a leader. The lib media is hyping the Odumbo "clean, fresh" mantra (wonder how "fresh" he'll be say a year from now?) while Hillary comes off as a frumpy old bag. Hillary will probably be pulled left by her threat from the left, which will make her look inconsistent. As they say, the '08 election is the democrats' to lose, but now they look like they're losing it. With a normal democrat ideological take, the dems would win with no problem - but now they're being pulled insistently left by the screechy blogosphere - keep it up, folks!

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of the democratic party's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory:

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“Mayor Palin fails to have a firm grasp of something very simple: the truth.”

[Frontiersman editorial, 2/7/97]

Hillary's vote to approve the War on Iraq is really hurting her chances. Obama seems like a very intelligent guy but he really lacks experience. Maybe he should just run for vice president so that he can ge some experience and become a more effective president.

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