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February 20, 2007

Is Barack Obama seeking to be our first black president, or our first stealth black supremacist president? Since before he officially announced his candidacy, both the Right and Left have commented on the lack of information vis-à-vis just who Obama is and what he’s all about. The candidate has built broad appeal by presenting himself as an open-minded moderate Democrat, but light shed on a little-known aspect – his faith – suggests his beliefs are closer to that of a refined Black Panther.



How many Americans would vote for a presidential candidate who was the member of a church that professed the following credo?

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the White Community
3. Commitment to the White Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.

The question is rhetorical, of course. The answer is that such a candidate wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting elected dog catcher (apologies to America’s animal rescue and public safety personnel) let alone President, because that candidate would be instantly branded a racist, among the most vile and frightening of white supremacists.


And those holding the branding irons would be 100% right.

Yet, in the “About” section of the U.S. Senate website for Barack Obama, Democratic senator from Illinois and contender for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States, it states that Obama and his family “live on Chicago's South Side where they attend Trinity United Church of Christ.”

So…?
Well, to say that the Trinity United Church of Christ is afrocentric in the extreme would be a gross understatement. It’s not simply afrocentric, it’s African-centric. In fact, one could argue that this organization worships things African to a far greater degree than they do Christ, and gives the impression of being a separatist “church” in the same vein as do certain supremacist “white brethren” churches – or even Louis Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam.

Shocking? An overstatement? An overreaction?

One can see for oneself on the Trinity United Church website, which is replete with confirmation of what I present here. What follows is an excerpt from their Mission Statement:


We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian...Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain 'true to our native land,' the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

“Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.”

Sound familiar? Of course it is, since it’s identical to the 12-point list at the beginning of this column – the one from the theoretical white supremacist candidate’s church; the only difference is the substitution of the word “Black” for “White.”

Trinity United Church of Christ’s congregation also claims to hold to a “10-point Vision” which is similarly afrocentric, or if you will, separatist. Again, like the Nation of Islam, a white separatist church or the Branch Davidians, Trinity United more resembles a cult than a church. Only this one has as one of its most prominent members a serious contender for the White House.
http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/rush/02202007.htm

He's 100% right and nobody can deny it without stretcign so far to be absurd.

BTW Erik Rush is Black just in case....
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Education, work ethic, self-discipline, self-respect, commitment to God - all good things. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness" is where they lost their minds.

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and he's going to change it from the white house to the black house, to boot!

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United Church of Christ? Yeah, that's a denomination on the rise...assuming you measure rise in terms of a vast exodus of membership.

"Despite all of its welcoming and affirming, the UCC has lost one million members over the last 40 years, or over 40 percent of its original membership." www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp%3Fart_id%3D9636+decline+membership +united+church+of+christ&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us]Ejecting From the Church[/url]

"Since the 1957 merger the UCC has seen membership decline and many churches have left the denomination to become independent or to join more conservative fellowships." United Church Of Christ Will Consider Fundamentalist-backed Resolution Concerning Jesus

The UCC has all the appeal and success of Air America.
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How is it humanly possible to not feel like an idiot whilst accusing someone who is half white of being a black supremacist? Anyone?
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Not nearly as dumb as making it clear you barely bothered to read it.
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Beside Obama plays that game with his race his religion his poltics.he's half everything..and the half he is at any moment is whatever half has the best poll numbers.
First black/white muuslim/christian liberal/moderate to run for President. Now granted the maxim in poltiics is promise everything to everyone but he and his supproters are takign it to an absurd level.

Most of the time he's runnign as a black canidate and his supporters refer to him as black...you can't deny that..
He/they are doing so becasue it makes a better headline.





Regardless...

Should Obama remain a member of a Church that espouses a very black centric mindset if he intends to be President of the USA ?

IF it is acceptable can a white man who is the memeber of a Church espousing the same exact white centric mindset be able to run without being called a racist?

The answer to the second is a resounding NO.
.....so the answer to the first is?


If he was a member of the Nation of Islam would the left parts of the media establishment have made him their darling....hell no.
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Once again, y'all are glossing over the difference between a minority seeking support and a majority seeking dominance.

Yesterday my boss, who is black, was telling me stories from when he was in graduate school at Northwestern. For a while he was the only black guy in the program. Not only did all the whites think he was an AA admission -- even though he had come from Columbia and they had generally come from state schools -- but it was clear they had no idea what to think about him.

When some more blacks arrived the following year, they instantly became a group -- not out of some conscious race-based ideology, but because they had more in common with each other than with their white classmates.

Note that the small number of blacks forming a group had no effect on the professional or educational prospects of the white majority, whereas had the whites formed such a group, it would have seriously damaged the prospects of the black students. That's the difference between a minority support group and a majority exclusionary club.

BTW, at one point the school sent the students out to do research in the community. One white student was assigned a bad neighborhood, and was afraid to go. So the program director asked one of the black students to go with her -- because, you know, his skin color would protect them.

He refused, suggesting not only that the request was borderline racist, but that it was not his job to babysit a classmate, and if she was unable to complete the assignment then perhaps she needed to pick a different program of study.
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What a bunch of gobble-dee-goop that is. The year is 2007, not 1977. Thankfully, the vast majority of Americans feel the same. Being race centric ain’t cool.
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Once again, y'all are glossing over the difference between a minority seeking support and a majority seeking dominance.
Raytri, please go to the link I posted and read what it says about "Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness". I know you like to play devil's advocate, but I think you'll have a hard time making sense out of that - or glossing over it.
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