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Old 05-04-2007, 05:39 AM
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I am very confused.
I thought Bush was supposed to be this great Conservative President.
JP5 Reminds us on a weekly basis how wonderful he is.

I guess my question is,
Why did the 10 Republicans just spend 90 min's trashing everything he has done in office?

I didn't hear one of them say, that they would continue the awsome path Bush has put us on.
When Bush Sr. ran for President he ran on Reagan's coatails. What happened to Bush Jr.'s coatails and why are the Republicans running for President keeping at arms length and bashing his policies.

Massive Government spending, eroding of civil liberties, stick a camera in every home because only guilty people have something to hide, nation-building, world police, pro torture, build massive walls just like the Soviets did...

I see that values and principals are a thing of political convinence to some Conservatives.


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Old 05-04-2007, 06:41 AM
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Adlai Stevenson ran as the spiritual successor to FDR, not Truman. Hubert Humphrey tried to evoke JFK as his predecessor, not LBJ. Gerald Ford tried to be Ike, not Dick. And Mondale, like Humphrey, tried to make voters forget that he hadn't been VP in a previous administration.

Trouble is that voters aren't so easily convinced. Twenty years is a long time in Presidential politics. Trying to convince the electorate that it's 1988 rather than 2008 in the next election is a challenge. Republicans who try to put on Reagan's 10 gallon hat will find that they are just as successful as the candidates above.
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Default That's right, Mr. Martini. There is an Easter Bunny.

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. I think they criticized him on Iraq, but even then it was somewhat muted except maybe McCain. Otherwise criticism on other issues was fairly tame. And I think the reason are the opinion polls.
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My answer to you would be besides he's become an extremely unpopular president, Republicans have realized their political base does not like Neocons and to a lesser extant a republican president who is not a good commander in chief. Conservatives still control the Republican party by voting power even if they don't with financial power. He is not a bad president, though. He has done some good things and he has done some bad things. Personally, I don't think anyone in the last fifty years has led this country 80%+ in the right direction, including Reagan. Reagan has been the closest thing to the presidents of old in recent times but some of his policies were more liberal than the public's stomach. Thinking of Republican strategy, I think it was the best choice they could make to try and embody Reagan's policies. This country has become too screwed up and liberal to rightfuly lead it in the right direction like Eisenhower, Franklin and Teddy did. Teddy, my favorite president who was one of the best men we ever had would look like freaken Hitler if he were President today. It shows you how far down the road we've gone, eh?
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...This country has become too screwed up and liberal to rightfuly lead it in the right direction like Eisenhower, Franklin and Teddy did. Teddy, my favorite president who was one of the best men we ever had would look like freaken Hitler if he were President today. It shows you how far down the road we've gone, eh?
You are referring to the Eisenhower that enforced school integration in Little Rock, right? Is that the same Eisenhower who refused to back the French in Vietnam? The one who opposed the Israeli's in the 1956 Suez crisis? The one who coined the phrase and warned the country about the dominance of the "military industrial complex?" That Eisenhower?

Is the Franklin you're referring to Franklin Pierce or Franklin Roosevelt? Surely it's not the one who oversaw the New Deal. It's not the one who tried to pack the Supreme Court with liberal justices, is it? You must be referring to Franklin Pierce who supported extension of slavery to US territories in the west. That's the Franklin you meant, right? Oh, maybe you meant Benjamin Franklin. But wait, that can't be. Franklin was never President and besides, he was a raving "liberal" in his day.

And who is this Teddy person? Surely you don't mean Teddy "Trust Buster" Roosevelt. You couldn't be referring to the President who oversaw the introduction of the first consumer protection legislation and championed the Federal roll in inspection of food and drugs. Not the guy who got the Federal Government involved in massive conservation efforts. Not the one who introduced federal regulation of the railroads. Not that Teddy, surely.

I'm sure you're not referring to Teddy Roosevelt, the candidate who deserted the Republican Party in 1912 after trying unsuccessfully to drag it to the left and ran on the Progressive platform that was even more "liberal" than Woodrow Wilson's.
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My answer to you would be besides he's become an extremely unpopular president, Republicans have realized their political base does not like Neocons and to a lesser extant a republican president who is not a good commander in chief. Conservatives still control the Republican party by voting power even if they don't with financial power. He is not a bad president, though. He has done some good things and he has done some bad things. Personally, I don't think anyone in the last fifty years has led this country 80%+ in the right direction, including Reagan. Reagan has been the closest thing to the presidents of old in recent times but some of his policies were more liberal than the public's stomach. Thinking of Republican strategy, I think it was the best choice they could make to try and embody Reagan's policies. This country has become too screwed up and liberal to rightfuly lead it in the right direction like Eisenhower, Franklin and Teddy did. Teddy, my favorite president who was one of the best men we ever had would look like freaken Hitler if he were President today. It shows you how far down the road we've gone, eh?
Teddy was a progressive, why would someone who advocates monoculturalism, and could probably be called a white supremicist, think that Teddy was great?
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I am very confused.
I thought Bush was supposed to be this great Conservative President.
JP5 Reminds us on a weekly basis how wonderful he is.

I guess my question is,
Why did the 10 Republicans just spend 90 min's trashing everything he has done in office?

I didn't hear one of them say, that they would continue the awsome path Bush has put us on.
When Bush Sr. ran for President he ran on Reagan's coatails. What happened to Bush Jr.'s coatails and why are the Republicans running for President keeping at arms length and bashing his policies.

Massive Government spending, eroding of civil liberties, stick a camera in every home because only guilty people have something to hide, nation-building, world police, pro torture, build massive walls just like the Soviets did...

I see that values and principals are a thing of political convinence to some Conservatives.


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Ixtellor[/quote]

Thats it, get your weekly Bush-hatred testostorone out, expect nothing different from the liberal hurds.[/quote]

It's hard not to bash someone who makes it so easy. Calling himself a child when he stuttered out the wrong date "1776" in the presence of Englands queen who he remarked "gave him a look only a mother could give a child". That is pure idiocy! That is the man that is the face of our country and he makes us all look like morons.

I don't know about you but I think that we need a leader who can at least finish a sentence without stuttering or saying the wrong words. That is just the beginning with him too. He refuses to face the truth that he was wrong about Iraq. In true Republican style he won't change his mind about anything no matter how much evidence to the contrary is submitted.

So please tell me if we shouldn't say bad things about this guy, what is there to say that is good?
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