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Old 09-21-2007, 09:17 PM
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Default Newt might run!

Rumor out of Michigan tonight, is that Newt is seriously considering running, and might toss his hat into the ring as early as next weekend.

Yay!

Finally, another "real" conservative.

So, what do you think will happen, if both Fred and Newt end up running?

Do you think either one of them will have a chance, against Giuliani?
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:14 PM
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Not a chance. He'd be wise to save his money. His name is still on MoveOn.org's hit list.
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Old 09-22-2007, 07:18 AM
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Rumor out of Michigan tonight, is that Newt is seriously considering running, and might toss his hat into the ring as early as next weekend.

Yay!

Finally, another "real" conservative.

So, what do you think will happen, if both Fred and Newt end up running?

Do you think either one of them will have a chance, against Giuliani?
Fred is not a true conservative.

It is too late for Newt, and he won't appeal to the Base of red meat loving wack jobs.

I personally like him a lot, I think he has matured since his days in Congress into someone I would be comfortable with.

But he can't win.

My money is still on Romney. With Guiliani coming in a close 2nd.
(Clearly Guilianni is a better National Candidate, and Repubs, might realize that and upset ole mit)

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won't appeal to the Base of red meat loving wack jobs.
I love red meat and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

Tomorrow when you're eating your turkey and couscous, taking in a bit of the soccer match on the tele, I'll be watching REAL football, with a beer in one hand, and a giant, STEAK fajita in the other.
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Do you think either one of them will have a chance, against Giuliani?
No. But I will vote for him anyway.

Republicans are terrified of a liberal getting into power, and so will want a cross-over candidate who is liberal on some issues to leech away at the Democrat moderates. Rudy has several liberal views, but is acceptable to most Republicans. He will win the nomination.

The only other candidate who even has a chance is McCain.

Rudy is not my first choice, or even my 3rd. But he's acceptable. I would still vote for him if he wins the primary.



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It is too late for Newt, and he won't appeal to the Base of red meat loving wack jobs.
He does so appeal to me! He was my #2 choice!

I do agree it is probably too late. He needed to start in February or March.


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Republicans are terrified of a liberal getting into power, and so will want a cross-over candidate who is liberal on some issues to leech away at the Democrat moderates. Rudy has several liberal views, but is acceptable to most Republicans. He will win the nomination.
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Yeah - that first part is a bit of a problem, don't you think?

I mean, that's how we got George Bush in there, right?

(You may like Georgie more than I do, I kinda think he's got the "deal is primary" mentality, which in my own eyes is politically and morally bankrupt, but that's neither here nor there).....

I could live with Rudy. He's not my first choice either, but he's definitely "capable", and that already puts him head and shoulders above Bushie. I even kinda "like" some of his liberal social positions, Ii mean, I "like" that he has them and that he's willing to challenge the Republican ideology with them - even though I may disagree with his position on any particular single issue.

But then on the other hand, Hillary is "capable" too, although in a different way perhaps - so Rudy has to convince me that he's "more" capable that Hillary is.... ( ) -

Wouldn't that be a complete gas? To actually have a positive choice for a change, instead of constantly having to choose between the lesser of two evils?

Well, I mean, I have "caveats" with every candidate, and my main one with Rudy is his positioning with regard to foreign policy - and I have an opinion on that "now" but I have a feeling a whole lot of development are going to occur in that space prior to November of '08, so I have no doubt I'll be re-formulating that opinion "many times" as the priorities shift -

Right now, I would prefer to see someone like Ron Paul, 'cause I like his ideology, his perspective -

But, if he got elected and actually did half the things he says he's going to do, this country would disintegrate - it's like, every powerful institution that's deeply tied in with the US economy would be quaking in its boots if Ron Paul b ecame President, so yeah, I do have some "practical" issues in that regard, 'cause it doesn't seem like the guy believes in "baby steps".....

I dunno.... I haven't found a clear balance yet, with any of these candidates. They're all right, and they're all wrong, and when you weight the rights and wrongs it would be nice to be able to come down on the side of "right", wouldn't it?
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Yeah - that first part is a bit of a problem, don't you think?
Not really. The alternatives are worse, and I am used to being in the minority. Rudy is an acceptable compromise.


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I mean, that's how we got George Bush in there, right?
You say that as if it is a bad thing. Bush was better than the alternatives as well.


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But then on the other hand, Hillary is "capable" too
Not as capable as Rudy. Or any other Republican. Except maybe Brownback.



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Wouldn't that be a complete gas? To actually have a positive choice for a change, instead of constantly having to choose between the lesser of two evils?
Our last two Presidents were positive choices IMO. I was neutral on Bush Sr, and I loved Reagan. The last President I didnt like was Carter.

I dont view Rudy as an evil. I just view McCain, Rice, Newt, and Mitt as better.



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Well, I mean, I have "caveats" with every candidate, and my main one with Rudy is his positioning with regard to foreign policy
Ironically, his foreign policy is his only saving grace with me.




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Right now, I would prefer to see someone like Ron Paul, 'cause I like his ideology, his perspective
Then you should be voting Libertarian, because thats what he really is. He shouldnt even be running as a Republican.

If he or Brownback win the nomination, I will be voting 3rd party.



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I dunno.... I haven't found a clear balance yet, with any of these candidates. They're all right, and they're all wrong, and when you weight the rights and wrongs it would be nice to be able to come down on the side of "right", wouldn't it?
Maybe your standards are unreasonably high. Democracy is about compromise. You cant always get what you want. Even Mick Jagger thinks so, and he's a flaming liberal.

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Then you should be voting Libertarian...
Hey, I'm not crazy...

There's a big difference between Libevrtarians ("big L") and libertarians (little "l"), know what I mean?

Well, and "ordinarily" I'd probably jump all over your case for saying "I like Bush" in a public forum.... ( ) .... but there's really no need. I've beaten that issue to death lately, typed the list so many times I could probably recite it my sleep - (So, I should probably just echo Duh2's question: "why?" ) -
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I hope he does run, It would be fun to watch him squirm while defending his continuous hypocrisy. I'm sure Hillary would like that, that would make her a shoo-in.
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