Now we're getting somewhere. Hillary is showing her bravery here in being willing to move government further in the direction of true compassion and responsibility. Why shouldn't money be invested in this way rather than be squandered or horded by the rich? All wealth should be dispersed by government, not wasted in capitalist fantasy.

Yeah KOD...money grows on trees.

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Perhaps you should go live in China....or North Korea. There the gov't can "take care of you." Now I understand why you feature a picture of Hillary as your avatar.

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Hillary? Brave?

She won't even "man up" and admit she voted for the Iraq War.

Are you freakin' kidding me?

Oh Lord, how soon they forget -

Bushie did the exact same thing.

Yeah, remember? Only, his little "bribe" was a tax refund - I think I got either 300 bucks or 600 bucks, I can't remember which, but it was enough to buy new TV (and see - so my money probably went to China or Korea or someplace - God, what a freakin' moron that Bushie is - but anyway....) -

Yeah - Bushie did the exact same thing. "Vote for me and I'll toss some money your way".

So - let me ask ( ) - does Hillary's plan apply to children of illegal aliens born in the United States?

Nonsquirt, do you not understand the difference between getting to keep more of your own money vs. having your money given away to others?


In that case....

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Order without liberty and liberty without order are equally destructive. - Theodore Roosevelt

It doesn't matter what you "do" with a bribe, it's still a bribe.

You can give it away to all the starving children in Africa, and it's still a bribe.

Sorry, but - it's even worse than that. 'Cause in this case, it's a stupid bribe too.

The net result of it is to send a good chunk of the government coffers overseas. But this dimwitted moron of a President we have, doesn't think in those terms.

Nope, I don't trust that weasel. He isn't doing what's good for America, he's only doing what's good for the Republican Party - and even {U]that's[/u] not so good, is it?

And then, he keeps trying to re-assure me that he understands his job - he keeps telling me "the most important part of my job is to keep the nation safe" - and meanwhile he's spending us into a god(*)(*)(*)(*) sinkhole so generations to come will have to clean up the mess -

And meanwhile, the truth of the matter is, that his freakin' job is defined in the Constitution. It's all spelled out right there. I don't need to listen to the Idiot-In-Chief to know what his job is.

And the truth of the matter is, he's not doing it. He's not doing his job, part of which involves upholding the Constitution, and that's an impeachable offense.

So yeah, I would be entirely un-surprised by Bushie trying to grovel a few more votes with an "instantaneous" tax rebate. I guess that pushed him over the edge in Florida, right? So, I guess it worked, right?

Look, this is all too transparent, 12th.

Surely you see that, don't you?

Sure, I like keeping my own money. But I've also never once in my life been on any kind of government dole, even when I was (*)(*)(*)(*)-poor and living off macaroni and week-old bread. I figured at the time, that the government needed the money worse than I did - but now I'm not su sure anymore. I mean, look what they're spending it on...

12th, the reason I pay taxes is so the President will do his job. That's what I want from him, and that's all I want from him. I don't want moralism, or authoritarianism, or adventurism, or some pipe dream that "we" can somehow cure all the world's ills if only we'd just buckle down and make the effort (read: bite the bullet and suffer the consequences) -

All I want from our elected officials, is for them to do their freakin' jobs.

Is that so much to ask?

I don't think baby bonds are a good idea, and I don't think Bush's plan was a good idea.

Bush's plan would have raided the social security fund to set up all these private accounts just like Hillary's plan would have to raid taxpayers for the $5,000 per baby. The only difference is that Bush would raid social security by having you pay less at first. The billions of dollars in shortfall needed to make the transition to private accounts would have to come from taxpayers.

Actually, if you take into account the problems of small size and lack of rescources and influence No. Korea has, as well as the problems of giagantic size and population of China, you'll have to admit their systems have worked rather remarkably well under the circumstances. As the world blends itself together throughout time, we need to learn from the successes of others so as to replace old concepts that don't work with ones that have proven themselves worthy. Hillary understands this concept better than any other candidate and you're right..........that's why I use her picture for an avatar.

Wealth is neither a right nor is taken with an individual after death. Wealth exists within the people, divided up by whatever system or lack of system those people have. True morality would demand that wealth be divided up and dispersed on an "as-needed" basis by the central government power that provides equality to all. No other system can match that equality.