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Old 10-16-2007, 07:08 AM
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Yeah, I know my history. Land owners, slave owners, yadda yadda.

Questions about "who" should vote, and "how" they should vote.

And even "how much" of a vote they should have.

These days though, we kinda go along with "one man, one vote", don't we?
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Old 10-16-2007, 08:49 AM
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What if we had all the candidates in a big election and if one didn't get 50%, we took the top two in a runoff? Now, let's say that only eligible American citizens voted , who would win? Who would be in the runoff? You think it would still be one Democrat and one Republican?


I have to say I think Ron Paul might do it. It would remove the "who stands the best chance of beating Hillary" type of questions from the decision making process.
I honestly believe it would end up being Obama versus Clinton.

I think the Republican vote would be far more fractured.

Maybe Guiliani versus Clinton.

If Dems could help pick the Republican , it would certainly be Guiliani followed by McCain.

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The Founding Fathers didn't accidentally or by mistake create the electoral college system, they were FARRRRR smarter men than YOU, and they knew exactly what they were doing. Likewise, the primary election, a result of reforms advocated by the progressive movement in the early 20th century is done for a VERY good reason. You should have gotten the reasons in elementary school american history and government - why don't you read up on what you missed while dozing in class?
I actually agree with you. The EC was a compromise to give the states with less population some say in the federal government. The EC may not be a perfect solution, but no one has yet come up with a better one.
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There is no reason to have the EC. No other democracy has it and the world it still spinning on its axis. It was set up because people didn't vote for President back in the day. So it made total sense. As soon as we went to direct vote for President it became unnecessary.

But here's the best reason to scrap it: Any system where it's possible for the person getting the majority of the popular vote to lose the election cannot really be called democracy.

Another good reason: When America nation builds and installs governments, those governments NEVER get the EC. Wonder why........
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Another good reason: When America nation builds and installs governments, those governments NEVER get the EC. Wonder why........
Well, obviously we can't let them have our secret to success.
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What if we had presidential elections like other elections?
Other elections have ONE primary to decide the general election candidate.

If we had ONE primary in 2000 then McCain would have laughed at South Carolina and Bob Jones/Falwell and ran away with the Republican nominations.

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There is no reason to have the EC.
Yes, there is.

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No other democracy has it and the world it still spinning on its axis.
The US DOES have it, and the world it still spinning on its axis.

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It was set up because people didn't vote for President back in the day. So it made total sense. As soon as we went to direct vote for President it became unnecessary.
Another american history/government clueless one.

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But here's the best reason to scrap it: Any system where it's possible for the person getting the majority of the popular vote to lose the election cannot really be called democracy.
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Another good reason: When America nation builds and installs governments, those governments NEVER get the EC. Wonder why........
That's because most countries prefer the parliamentary system - has absolutely nothing to do with the EC.
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Yes, there is.
Excellent response. I am now convinced. I have to say it's not often I get to post with such a great thinker.

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Another american history/government clueless one.
You mean people did vote for President in 1800? Wow. You can learn so much on these forums. Thanks again. And to think I thought they didn't. Man do I have egg on my face right now.

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More nonsense.
Gosh. Yet another great post. Your blog must be killer. We are truly in the presence of political greatness.

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That's because most countries prefer the parliamentary system - has absolutely nothing to do with the EC.
Yes it does. They prefer one over the other. Any thoughts on why none have the EC? You can get back to me on that. I'm sure it will be riveting stuff.
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The know of only one legit reason to have an EC in this modern era.

I will postpone giving it and see if Blade can produce a good reason.


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There is no reason to have the EC. No other democracy has it and the world it still spinning on its axis. It was set up because people didn't vote for President back in the day. So it made total sense. As soon as we went to direct vote for President it became unnecessary.

But here's the best reason to scrap it: Any system where it's possible for the person getting the majority of the popular vote to lose the election cannot really be called democracy.

Another good reason: When America nation builds and installs governments, those governments NEVER get the EC. Wonder why........
Whether or not other countries have an EC is irrelevant to the US situation. I don't know enough about that many other countries to compare governments. But I know that the House of Lords of the UK are not directly elected by the people and Germany's Bundesrat is not directly elected by the people.
The EC also gives citizens more incentive to vote.
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