Thread: Ron Paul..."And I Went" Goes Viral

Originally Posted by Woogs

This was Ron's best line from the NH debate. It made Gingrich look silly and it sure didn't hurt Dr. Paul. Now an early photo of RP with Rand is circulating the web.

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Ron Paul's 2012 campaign got a boost when he uttered his famous "And I Went" line during Saturday's New Hampshire debate in a heated exchange with Republican rival Newt Gingrich.

Paul was criticizing so-called "chickenhawks," or politicians who are hawkish about going to war but personally shirked the opportunity to serve in the U.S. military.

"I think people who don't serve when they could and they get three or four or even five deferments have no right to send our kids off to war," said Paul in a clear reference to Gingrich.

Gingrich responded: "I was married with a child."

To which Paul famously shot back: "When I was drafted, I was married and had two kids, and I went."

Paul finished his sentence with pursed lips and a steely gaze. The crowd was silent for a moment. Then, it broke out in applause.

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Got drafted? Officer no less. Makes a big difference when you are giving the orders and when you are taking the bullet.

hes so evil...wheres rands helmet? wheres his knee&elbo pads?

that is not the proper seating for a passanger...

the man is pure evil

I think the Ron Paul movement is similar to the Barry Goldwater movement. Not that they are by any means identical in terms of ideology. But like Goldwater, if RP were to win the nomination, he'd lose handily. I almost wonder if the daisy ad will be brought back and redone in regards to a nuclear Iran and used against Paul.

Anyway, Goldwater lost. But after he ran, people who shared his beliefs started running all over the country and winning elections and ultimately the modern conservative movement was born when Reagan won his bid for president.

RP isn't going to win the primary. RP certainly isn't going to win the election. But I think by running RP has helped to shape the GOP. The tea party is another manifestation of the intellectual re-invigoration of conservatism post Bush.

In 10-15 years, I think the ideas behind the RP movement will hold center stage. The problem with the GOP is that it keeps trying to be a big tent party. Instead it needs to focus on intellectual consistency.

Originally Posted by Archer0915

Got drafted? Officer no less. Makes a big difference when you are giving the orders and when you are taking the bullet.

As a doctor, he was given the rank of a commissioned officer. At least I think that's how it works. I've never seen a Dr. with an enlisted rank.

Originally Posted by obediant_consumer

hes so evil...wheres rands helmet? wheres his knee&elbo pads?

that is not the proper seating for a passanger...

the man is pure evil

LOL....right.

Originally Posted by Woogs

As a doctor, he was given the rank of a commissioned officer. At least I think that's how it works. I've never seen a Dr. with an enlisted rank.

Well what I was getting at is they were really facing two completely different Armies. Perhaps Newt would have gone in as enlisted and gotten an infantry stamp. What would Paul have done? We will never know but the fact is he was not facing the same Army as a normal draftee.

This whole idea that you have to serve to become President makes no sense. I became an adult in a time where there was no draft, no real wars etc... Just because I chose not to enlist that makes me unable to understand war and what it means to those who I could send? No logic stream. That is like saying to understand what death is you have to experience it for yourself.

Originally Posted by jhffmn

I think the Ron Paul movement is similar to the Barry Goldwater movement. Not that they are by any means identical in terms of ideology. But like Goldwater, if RP were to win the nomination, he'd lose handily. I almost wonder if the daisy ad will be brought back and redone in regards to a nuclear Iran and used against Paul.

Anyway, Goldwater lost. But after he ran, people who shared his beliefs started running all over the country and winning elections and ultimately the modern conservative movement was born when Reagan won his bid for president.

RP isn't going to win the primary. RP certainly isn't going to win the election. But I think by running RP has helped to shape the GOP. The tea party is another manifestation of the intellectual re-invigoration of conservatism post Bush.

In 10-15 years, I think the ideas behind the RP movement will hold center stage. The problem with the GOP is that it keeps trying to be a big tent party. Instead it needs to focus on intellectual consistency.

I think the difference between Goldwater and Paul is that the country is more ready (as in seeing the necessity of) for change now. We have been at war for 10 years...the country is broke....etc.. The country was ready for change with electing Obama but that didn't exactly work out. I don't think that root sentiment is dead, so RP has a shot at it.

Reagan's keynote speech for Goldwater did launch his political career. It's a great speech and is on You Tube for anyone interested.

Originally Posted by krunkskimo

The GOP cannot stand that their liberal Newt had his ass handed to him by someone much more conservitive.

The GOP Machine chose Romney about a year ago...The Primary is just a technicality.

Romney will lose the general election.

Originally Posted by Face

This whole idea that you have to serve to become President makes no sense. I became an adult in a time where there was no draft, no real wars etc... Just because I chose not to enlist that makes me unable to understand war and what it means to those who I could send? No logic stream. That is like saying to understand what death is you have to experience it for yourself.

We're talking about those who always advocate war as a solution to geo-political problems.
Many pundits, for example...like to beat the war drum when they have virtually no experience in it. Civilians often have this notion that the U.S. military is this invincilbe force...that fights in bloodless wars.

Their guts, and your blood.

The burden of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have gone to less than 1% of the population....
that's right less than 1% of the total population...

We should not be so quick on the draw to utilize force as a means of diplomacy...if the burden and sacrifice of this force is placed on such
a small percentage of the nation...

Some are already advocating war with Iran...but you can be darn sure they won't be volunteering themselves to wage that war any time soon.

Frankly I'm a little weary of the chickenhawk mentality myself.