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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan40 View Post
    I consider your opinion to be much less than worthless. I have serious doubts of your ability to grasp the concept of principles.

    I'll await his answer if he has the balls to actually answer the question.

    I take that to be an extreme compliment!! I now know I am doing something right!! Thank you sir for your kind words!!
    Im a Tarte, what! you want some of this!

    The essence of any utopianism is: Conjure an ideal that makes an impossible demand on reality, then announce that, until the demand is met in full, your ideal can't be fairly evaluated. Attribute any incidental successes to the halfway meeting of the demand, any failure to the halfway still to go.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan40 View Post
    My question was too reasonable and logical for you to figure out an answer?

    Minds cemented closed DO have that problem.

    I will vote for The Republican candidate. Polls are not elections. If obama loses, then I didn't vote for a loser. If obama wins, then I will have voted for the eventual winner. But it is the election, not the polls that count.

    And before you cite that the same applies to Paul, Paul has LOST every presidential primary he's EVER run in and he has yet to even 'fog a mirror' in a poll.

    I will have a candidate to vote for,,,,,you won't. So again I ask, What will you do?
    I'm not going to vote for a child-butchering despot. If you can convince me that your favored candidate would not be a child-butchering despot, maybe I'd consider it. But neither you nor any of the other Paul-o-phobes ever lift a finger to attempt to defend one of the other candidates. Your endless Paul-bashing is never balanced with any ghost of an attempt to present us with a viable alternative.
    Aggression is always evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AbsoluteVoluntarist View Post
    I'm not going to vote for a child-butchering despot. If you can convince me that your favored candidate would not be a child-butchering despot, maybe I'd consider it. But neither you nor any of the other Paul-o-phobes ever lift a finger to attempt to defend one of the other candidates. Your endless Paul-bashing is never balanced with any ghost of an attempt to present us with a viable alternative.
    Is TRUTHFULLY citing Paul's Congressional record,,BASHING?
    Is citing his miserable poll numbers,,,,BASHING?
    Is citing his presidential run drop outs,,,BASHING?
    Is pointing out that no one has been elected that has run as often as he ,,,,,,,ever,,,,,,,,BASHING?
    Is pointing out that no one as old as he is, has ever been elected,,,,,,,,,BASHING?
    Is saying that IF, by some miracle, Paul was the Nominee, I'd vote for him,,,,,,,,,,,BASHING?
    Is pointing out that ALL his support comes from a very narrow band of people that seldom vote,,,,,,BASHING?
    Is saying that I agree with much of Paul's stands, but do not condone his lack of ever making ANY of it happen,,,,,,BASHING?
    Is saying that someone YOUNG has to take up Paul's ideas and MAKE THEM HAPPEN,,,,,,BASHING?

    Others do bash Paul. I point out that it is folly to think he has any chance at all,,,He DOES NOT.

    The simple fact is that Paul has missed the presidential bus some years ago. And here are ardent supporters of a REPUBLICAN that say they will not vote for any other REPUBLICAN but Paul. Some even say they WILL vote for obama.

    That is illogical nonsense that causes doubt to be cast on all Paul supporters. NO rational thinker could want to vote for Paul and then vote for obama because Paul wasn't available.

    You won't have Paul to vote for.
    You KNOW how bad obama IS.
    You do NOT know that any Republican candidate would be as bad. You don't KNOW that. I don't think its possible for any of the Republicans to be as bad, but I don't expect you to share that. But you do know how bad obama IS and you don't know for certain that any of the Republican candidates would or could be as bad.

    As adults we have to choose from the choices available, not from Utopian fantasy choices.

    Who is the viable alternative to Paul if he is not available? ANYBODY but obama. Not just the Republican candidates, ANYBODY but obama.

    Now if someone wants to accuse me of bashing obama, I scream guilty, proudly so!.
    DON'T BLAME ME, I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE FOOL! X 2
    LIBERALISM,,the new front name for,,,COMMUNISM
    TWO people spending ONE person's money, DOES NOT improve the economy!
    "Money is better than poverty, even if its just for financial reasons."--Woody Allen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan40 View Post
    Is TRUTHFULLY citing Paul's Congressional record,,BASHING?
    Is citing his miserable poll numbers,,,,BASHING?
    Is citing his presidential run drop outs,,,BASHING?
    Is pointing out that no one has been elected that has run as often as he ,,,,,,,ever,,,,,,,,BASHING?
    Is pointing out that no one as old as he is, has ever been elected,,,,,,,,,BASHING?
    Is saying that IF, by some miracle, Paul was the Nominee, I'd vote for him,,,,,,,,,,,BASHING?
    Is pointing out that ALL his support comes from a very narrow band of people that seldom vote,,,,,,BASHING?
    Is saying that I agree with much of Paul's stands, but do not condone his lack of ever making ANY of it happen,,,,,,BASHING?
    Is saying that someone YOUNG has to take up Paul's ideas and MAKE THEM HAPPEN,,,,,,BASHING?

    Others do bash Paul. I point out that it is folly to think he has any chance at all,,,He DOES NOT.

    The simple fact is that Paul has missed the presidential bus some years ago. And here are ardent supporters of a REPUBLICAN that say they will not vote for any other REPUBLICAN but Paul. Some even say they WILL vote for obama.

    That is illogical nonsense that causes doubt to be cast on all Paul supporters. NO rational thinker could want to vote for Paul and then vote for obama because Paul wasn't available.

    You won't have Paul to vote for.
    You KNOW how bad obama IS.
    You do NOT know that any Republican candidate would be as bad. You don't KNOW that. I don't think its possible for any of the Republicans to be as bad, but I don't expect you to share that. But you do know how bad obama IS and you don't know for certain that any of the Republican candidates would or could be as bad.

    As adults we have to choose from the choices available, not from Utopian fantasy choices.

    Who is the viable alternative to Paul if he is not available? ANYBODY but obama. Not just the Republican candidates, ANYBODY but obama.

    Now if someone wants to accuse me of bashing obama, I scream guilty, proudly so!.


    We just had 8 years of proof that your statement is false!! Bush was at least as bad as Obama. He helped cause most of the problems we no face, Obama has simply failed to solve those problems. Who is worse the president that caused the problems, or the one who failed to fix the problems the previous one caused and created some new ones on top of that? I suppose it is debatable, but it certainly means it doesn't make sense to pretend Obama is significantly worse than a Republican would be.


    However, either Obama NOR Bush are the sources of the problems this country faces. They are symptoms of that problem. The system is broken, and until it is fixed, who we elect as our president couldn't matter much less.
    Im a Tarte, what! you want some of this!

    The essence of any utopianism is: Conjure an ideal that makes an impossible demand on reality, then announce that, until the demand is met in full, your ideal can't be fairly evaluated. Attribute any incidental successes to the halfway meeting of the demand, any failure to the halfway still to go.

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    Time for Mitt Flopper/ Newt & Santorum to STEP ASIDE...
    ''Information is the currency of democracy''

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    Quote Originally Posted by reckoning View Post
    Time for Mitt Flopper/ Newt & Santorum to STEP ASIDE...
    I agree. I see people trying so hard to justify their support for one of them by saying "_____ is the only one who can beat pbama!" No one can realistically show that any of these guys is the small govt, pro-constitution man we need.

    Conservatism didn't lose in 2008. It wasn't on the ballot.
    "It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it." ~George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan40 View Post
    Is TRUTHFULLY citing Paul's Congressional record,,BASHING?
    Is citing his miserable poll numbers,,,,BASHING?
    Is citing his presidential run drop outs,,,BASHING?
    Is pointing out that no one has been elected that has run as often as he ,,,,,,,ever,,,,,,,,BASHING?
    Is pointing out that no one as old as he is, has ever been elected,,,,,,,,,BASHING?
    Is saying that IF, by some miracle, Paul was the Nominee, I'd vote for him,,,,,,,,,,,BASHING?
    Is pointing out that ALL his support comes from a very narrow band of people that seldom vote,,,,,,BASHING?
    Is saying that I agree with much of Paul's stands, but do not condone his lack of ever making ANY of it happen,,,,,,BASHING?
    Is saying that someone YOUNG has to take up Paul's ideas and MAKE THEM HAPPEN,,,,,,BASHING?

    Others do bash Paul. I point out that it is folly to think he has any chance at all,,,He DOES NOT.

    The simple fact is that Paul has missed the presidential bus some years ago. And here are ardent supporters of a REPUBLICAN that say they will not vote for any other REPUBLICAN but Paul. Some even say they WILL vote for obama.

    That is illogical nonsense that causes doubt to be cast on all Paul supporters. NO rational thinker could want to vote for Paul and then vote for obama because Paul wasn't available.

    You won't have Paul to vote for.
    You KNOW how bad obama IS.
    You do NOT know that any Republican candidate would be as bad. You don't KNOW that. I don't think its possible for any of the Republicans to be as bad, but I don't expect you to share that. But you do know how bad obama IS and you don't know for certain that any of the Republican candidates would or could be as bad.

    As adults we have to choose from the choices available, not from Utopian fantasy choices.

    Who is the viable alternative to Paul if he is not available? ANYBODY but obama. Not just the Republican candidates, ANYBODY but obama.

    Now if someone wants to accuse me of bashing obama, I scream guilty, proudly so!.
    And still not a syllable defending one of the other aspiring despots. One can only get the impression you can't think of one thing positive to say about them other than that they're not Obama.

    I already addressed the "lesser of two evils" ploy in a previous post to you, but you didn't answer it: 'Obama is only worse than Bush because he's expanded all of Bush's policies. And I would suggest that Romney would be worse than Obama because (1) he would continue all of Obama's policies in every significant degree (2) once he does, all the "conservatives" would start defending those very policies because "our guy" is doing them, just as the liberals became okay with wiretapping, assassinations, and war the second their guy started doing them and (3) therefore all the policies you now think make Obama "the worst president in history" would come to be the "mainstream" view of both sides of the aisle and all the more entrenched.

    Mark my words, if Romney's elected, he'll tweak Obamacare a little, declare the matter finished, and stop worrying about it. In another 8 years, if you still want to abolish Obamacare, you'll be a kook according to everyone on every side. And Santorum would be even worse than Romney; he's a truly totalitarian theocrat without a pro-liberty bone in his body.'
    Aggression is always evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AbsoluteVoluntarist View Post
    And still not a syllable defending one of the other aspiring despots. One can only get the impression you can't think of one thing positive to say about them other than that they're not Obama.

    I already addressed the "lesser of two evils" ploy in a previous post to you, but you didn't answer it: 'Obama is only worse than Bush because he's expanded all of Bush's policies. And I would suggest that Romney would be worse than Obama because (1) he would continue all of Obama's policies in every significant degree (2) once he does, all the "conservatives" would start defending those very policies because "our guy" is doing them, just as the liberals became okay with wiretapping, assassinations, and war the second their guy started doing them and (3) therefore all the policies you now think make Obama "the worst president in history" would come to be the "mainstream" view of both sides of the aisle and all the more entrenched.

    Mark my words, if Romney's elected, he'll tweak Obamacare a little, declare the matter finished, and stop worrying about it. In another 8 years, if you still want to abolish Obamacare, you'll be a kook according to everyone on every side. And Santorum would be even worse than Romney; he's a truly totalitarian theocrat without a pro-liberty bone in his body.'
    These are the primaries, you aren't going to vote for any one of them in a primary so why promote any one of them. I have a favorite, but if he is not the nominee, he's not, and I forget him. Once a Nominee emerges, that will be the time to examine all he has to offer over obama. Its called patience. And ALL answers disputing "anybody but obama" are WRONG. obama is the baseline, the worst president in history. The worst a Republican could do is equal obama. But there is every chance he'd be better, whomever he is. Bush was bad, obama is much, much worse. We are now at the bottom, everyone is an improvement over obama.

    And all you do is avoid the question.. You will not have Paul to vote for, so what will you do? Not what will you NOT DO. What will you do that is POSITIVE for the USA? You support Paul because you believe that he is positive for the USA. How will you, also, be positive for the USA?
    DON'T BLAME ME, I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE FOOL! X 2
    LIBERALISM,,the new front name for,,,COMMUNISM
    TWO people spending ONE person's money, DOES NOT improve the economy!
    "Money is better than poverty, even if its just for financial reasons."--Woody Allen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan40 View Post
    These are the primaries, you aren't going to vote for any one of them in a primary so why promote any one of them. I have a favorite, but if he is not the nominee, he's not, and I forget him. Once a Nominee emerges, that will be the time to examine all he has to offer over obama. Its called patience. And ALL answers disputing "anybody but obama" are WRONG. obama is the baseline, the worst president in history. The worst a Republican could do is equal obama. But there is every chance he'd be better, whomever he is. Bush was bad, obama is much, much worse. We are now at the bottom, everyone is an improvement over obama.

    And all you do is avoid the question.. You will not have Paul to vote for, so what will you do? Not what will you NOT DO. What will you do that is POSITIVE for the USA? You support Paul because you believe that he is positive for the USA. How will you, also, be positive for the USA?
    Worse than Wilson? Worse than LBJ? I don't know about that. No, I'd rather have Obama than an Obama-like Republican to co-opt the Republican opposition. The problems are much more fundamental than you think they are.
    Aggression is always evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AbsoluteVoluntarist View Post
    Worse than Wilson? Worse than LBJ? I don't know about that. No, I'd rather have Obama than an Obama-like Republican to co-opt the Republican opposition. The problems are much more fundamental than you think they are.
    No answer?,,, or is your answer, you ARE GOING to vote for obama? support Paul but vote for obama.


    Paranoid Schizophrenia. Well beyond illogical.
    DON'T BLAME ME, I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE FOOL! X 2
    LIBERALISM,,the new front name for,,,COMMUNISM
    TWO people spending ONE person's money, DOES NOT improve the economy!
    "Money is better than poverty, even if its just for financial reasons."--Woody Allen

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