Thread: What Lessons, Realizations, and Outcomes stem from the Walker Recall?

Originally Posted by Kurmugeon

Or Perhaps that average Middle Class Americans, even many of those who have been Traditional Democrats, have far more respect for the Republic and Representative Democracy than they have a desire to just have their political desires achieved.

If you want to have social safety net programs for the less fortunate, but they only offered path to achieve that end is putting a Ethnic National Socialist Authoritarian Regime into power, well....

You've only exchanged one form of Tyrany ( Heartless, Mega-Wealthy, Corporatist Moguls) for another form of Tyrany (Black Liberation Theology Radicals ).

Besides, the "Dirty White Males" won't be "Qualified" to recieve the benefits of the social safety net under the current adminstration anyway...

For the Vast Majority of middle and lower class whites at the least, America is far better under the control of the Republicans.

Ironically, the Republicans will only use and abuse them to gain even more wealth. The Black Liberation Theologists have openly stated on numerous occasions and by multiple members of their leadership, Genocide of the White Race is their end goal.

Sad to have to pick from a lesser of two evils, but after listening to the likes of Rev. Wright, Farakan, Shabaz, Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder and little Andy Van Jones, the choice is clear.

The Democratic Party has gone way over the line in Racial Preferences, Pandering, and blatant Discrimination.

The Democratic Party needs to be Marginalized and Replaced by the Tea Party as the representatives of Common Lower and Middle Class America.

Gosh, I have to apologize, I only read your first couple of posts in this thread, I didn't realize you were this insane when I replied.
Sorry.

Originally Posted by Lil Mike

I've went to a bar in Milwaukee about 20 years ago, so based on my extensive experience with Wisconsin, I'd day that if they had held the recall vote last year, Walker would have gotten the boot. However since then Walker's reforms have worked. The budget situation is much better, and the main opposition candidate, Barrett, wasn't even a labor choice, and didn't even promise to undo Walker's reforms until late in the campaign. Ultimately, there was enough time from the crazed hippies occupying Madison for the middle class to realize that they were really being asked to subsidize state employees with lavish benefits that are almost gone from the private sector. It's tough for people to justify to themselves why they should pay more in taxes to give to people who already are getting more than they are.

The recent votes in California over the city pensions seem to bear that out.

Thing is, the 'reforms' didn't work and they never will.
Not on any scale, which is why I find it hard to believe anyone would still be on the right, let alone the far right.

Originally Posted by Craftsman

Gosh, I have to apologize, I only read your first couple of posts in this thread, I didn't realize you were this insane when I replied.
Sorry.

So, when you lack anything of substance for a counter, there's always the Ad-Hominen attack...


I know that the Currently ascendant sub-group of Obama racial preference Democrats think that ever continuing and ever increase Affirmative Action is the ONLY way, and that anyone who DARES to suggest otherwise is a dirty rotten RACIST or must be "Insane"...

But the rapid growth of the TEA Party, and in particular, the vast numbers of lower and middle class whites leaving the Democratic Party for the TEA Party seems to say, if I'm insane, I've got LOTS of company.

Maybe you should re-evaluate what is insane?

Originally Posted by Kurmugeon

So, when you lack anything of substance for a counter, there's always the Ad-Hominen attack...


I know that the Currently ascendant sub-group of Obama racial preference Democrats think that ever continuing and ever increase Affirmative Action is the ONLY way, and that anyone who DARES to suggest otherwise is a dirty rotten RACIST or must be "Insane"...

But the rapid growth of the TEA Party, and in particular, the vast numbers of lower and middle class whites leaving the Democratic Party for the TEA Party seems to say, if I'm insane, I've got LOTS of company.

Maybe you should re-evaluate what is insane?

I don't think so.
The masses under Hitler adopted a kind of mass insanity. There is precedent for this. Righteousness is not defined by numbers.

Originally Posted by thebrucebeat

I don't think so.
The masses under Hitler adopted a kind of mass insanity. There is precedent for this. Righteousness is not defined by numbers.

Hitler also rose to power on the wave of populous ethnic national socialism... Hmmmmmm, no why does that sound so familiar?

The mass insanity of the National Aryan Socialist Industrialist party, was the fact that it tried to use rampant racial preferences and ethnic demonization as its central party unifiying motivation.

And look at what just twelve years of NAZI rule morphed into, once government institutionalized racial discrimination was the accepted norm.

Funny how the main stream media has managed to twist our perception of the NAZI to forget that Hitler was a leftie socialist whose platform including many of the "Virtues" being espoused by the current administration, such as;

• Ethnic population management by forced sterilization ( John Holdren )
• Ethnic Demonization ( Van Jones )
• Ethnic Legislature Cabals which attack the citizenry by RACE ( Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson-Lee, & CBC )
• Environmental Scare Mongering to justify government seizure of private property(Lisa Jackson)
• Racial Set-aside govt. Jobs (Robert Riche)
• separate and un-equal legal status defined by ethnicity (Eric Holder)
• Vast increases in Racial Preferences in Education , Health Care ( ObamaCare)
• Vast takeover of private enterprise by the state particularly by the vehicle of finance (Bailout and Czars)
• Official enouragement by Government to have citizens Snitch on those opposed to their Agenda ( Attack Watch )
• Ethnic Social Service Organizations used as Political Enforcement Thugs( ACORN, SEIU )
• Ethnic Propagandized Youth Organizations used to Indoctrinate ( Americorp )
• Assumption of Power by the Federal Executive Branch from all other Government (President Obama)

There is very little that is "Righteous" about what the Obama Democrats have been doing for the last four years.


In fact, anyone who has studied the rise and fall of NAZI Germany understands that Hitler was more of a Authoritarian Socialist Statist than he was Laissez-Faire Capitalist.


Additionally, anyone who has carefully watched America's "Grand-Transformation" will understand that Obama is NOT a traditional Leftist, but statements, deeds, legislation and propaganda, but closer to Hitler than any other President in American History.

NAZI is as NAZI does…

By the way, the TEA Party is NOT currently the biggest of the three parties, though it is growing rapidly, and will likely be larger than the Democratic Party by 2016.


What is more important for the 2012 election is that the TEA Party (Largely because of the examples Ross Perot and Ralph Nader) understands the pragmatism of 3rd parties;

Don't be foolish enough to act as the spoiler and put your true opposition into power.

Instead, while you’re building your organization, diminish your true opponent by holding your nose and voting for the alternate majority party until the momentum of the RADICALS is broken.


We saw it in 2010, and we’re going to see it in even larger numbers in 2012.

Originally Posted by Kurmugeon

Hitler also rose to power on the wave of populous ethnic national socialism... Hmmmmmm, no why does that sound so familiar?

The mass insanity of the National Aryan Socialist Industrialist party, was the fact that it tried to use rampant racial preferences and ethnic demonization as its central party unifiying motivation.

And look at what just twelve years of NAZI rule morphed into, once government institutionalized racial discrimination was the accepted norm.

Funny how the main stream media has managed to twist our perception of the NAZI to forget that Hitler was a leftie socialist whose platform including many of the "Virtues" being espoused by the current administration, such as;

• Ethnic population management by forced sterilization ( John Holdren )
• Ethnic Demonization ( Van Jones )
• Ethnic Legislature Cabals which attack the citizenry by RACE ( Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson-Lee, & CBC )
• Environmental Scare Mongering to justify government seizure of private property(Lisa Jackson)
• Racial Set-aside govt. Jobs (Robert Riche)
• separate and un-equal legal status defined by ethnicity (Eric Holder)
• Vast increases in Racial Preferences in Education , Health Care ( ObamaCare)
• Vast takeover of private enterprise by the state particularly by the vehicle of finance (Bailout and Czars)
• Official enouragement by Government to have citizens Snitch on those opposed to their Agenda ( Attack Watch )
• Ethnic Social Service Organizations used as Political Enforcement Thugs( ACORN, SEIU )
• Ethnic Propagandized Youth Organizations used to Indoctrinate ( Americorp )
• Assumption of Power by the Federal Executive Branch from all other Government (President Obama)

There is very little that is "Righteous" about what the Obama Democrats have been doing for the last four years.


In fact, anyone who has studied the rise and fall of NAZI Germany understands that Hitler was more of a Authoritarian Socialist Statist than he was Laissez-Faire Capitalist.


Additionally, anyone who has carefully watched America's "Grand-Transformation" will understand that Obama is NOT a traditional Leftist, but statements, deeds, legislation and propaganda, but closer to Hitler than any other President in American History.

NAZI is as NAZI does…

By the way, the TEA Party is NOT currently the biggest of the three parties, though it is growing rapidly, and will likely be larger than the Democratic Party by 2016.


What is more important for the 2012 election is that the TEA Party (Largely because of the examples Ross Perot and Ralph Nader) understands the pragmatism of 3rd parties;

Don't be foolish enough to act as the spoiler and put your true opposition into power.

Instead, while you’re building your organization, diminish your true opponent by holding your nose and voting for the alternate majority party until the momentum of the RADICALS is broken.


We saw it in 2010, and we’re going to see it in even larger numbers in 2012.

In spite of the title, the Nazi's weren't socialists. They were fascists.
The Tea Party is simply a cannibal, dividing the Republican party into two weaker factions. The attendance at Tea Party events has been dwindling rapidly over the last year, and in my conservative county in N.C., the Tea Party float in the St. Patrick's Day parade here is met with giggles.
If they do gain power in the future, it will be brief, as their agenda will spiral the country into the toilet in very short order.

Originally Posted by thebrucebeat

In spite of the title, the Nazi's weren't socialists. They were fascists.
The Tea Party is simply a cannibal, dividing the Republican party into two weaker factions. The attendance at Tea Party events has been dwindling rapidly over the last year, and in my conservative county in N.C., the Tea Party float in the St. Patrick's Day parade here is met with giggles.
If they do gain power in the future, it will be brief, as their agenda will spiral the country into the toilet in very short order.

Socialists are more often than not Fascists, and most Fascists in History (as counted by man-years under socialist rule) have been Socialists.


Point being these two are NOT in any way exclusive. It is quite possible to be BOTH a Fascist and a Socialist, as the NAZI in Germany were both.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Fascism ( /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek rejuvenation of their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood through a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical training, and eugenics. Fascism seeks to purify the nation of foreign influences that are deemed to be causing degeneration of the nation or of not fitting into the national culture.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Socialism /ˈsoʊʃəlɪzəm/ is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy, and a political philosophy advocating such a system. "Social ownership" may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, direct public ownership or autonomous state enterprises. There are many variations of socialism and as such there is no single definition encapsulating all of socialism. They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets versus planning, how management is to be organised within economic enterprises, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.

A socialist economic system would consist of an organisation of production to directly satisfy economic demands and human needs, so that goods and services would be produced directly for use instead of for private profit driven by the accumulation of capital, and accounting would be based on physical quantities, a common physical magnitude, or a direct measure of labour-time. Distribution of output would be based on the principle of individual contribution.

As a political movement, socialism includes a diverse array of political philosophies, ranging from reformism to revolutionary socialism. Proponents of state socialism advocate for the nationalisation of the means of production, distribution and exchange as a strategy for implementing socialism. Libertarian socialism proposes to direct worker's control of the means of production and opposes the use of state power to achieve such an arrangement, opposing both parliamentary politics and state ownership over the means of production. Conversely, democratic socialism seeks to propagate the ideals of socialism within the context of a democratic system.
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There is nothing in these two definitions which is mutually incompatible, and historically, the two have more often than not accompanied each other.

Because of the extremely negative outcomes which have occurred most of the times the Federal Authoritarian control elements of Fascism have been combined with the State Ownership of the means of production from Socialism, the left always tries to deny ( or self-delude ) the many historical connections between the two political philosophies.

But that very denial and mis-information is WHY Social, which otherwise might actually work, keeps failing.

Without accepting this fatal tendency and building into a socialist movement safeguards against the corruption and havoc it wreaks, Socialism will continue to fail.

You don't have to work hard at all to see all of the wiki quoted elements of Fascism in the last four years of the Obama administration. In fact, it would be easy to make the case that Obama is less of a socialist, and more of a Cronie-Corporate Fascist Statist than a true socialist.

Either way, the Obama Democrats are destructive to America and need to go.

In a way, it is Sad that Obama has taken such a great opportunity for True Socialism to be Honestly tried by America, but the damage is done.

National Socialist Workers Party = Nazi.

The player on the field gets to define himself. Tiger Woods is not a shortstop.

The Nazis were socialist, and despite yout arrogance YOU don't get to define them.

Ask Richard Lugar about the Tea Party.

Originally Posted by Craftsman

Thing is, the 'reforms' didn't work and they never will.
Not on any scale, which is why I find it hard to believe anyone would still be on the right, let alone the far right.

They didn't work? Well apparently you're wrong about that. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Taxcutter

National Socialist Workers Party = Nazi.

The player on the field gets to define himself. Tiger Woods is not a shortstop.

The Nazis were socialist, and despite yout arrogance YOU don't get to define them.

Ask Richard Lugar about the Tea Party.

I'm not exactly sure who you were addressing this comment to, but in case my more complex analysis between the two political systems; fascism and socialism was missed, I agree with the statement, the Nazi Germany Party was a form socialist party. It was also, by the end of its evil morph, a fascist party. But it started as a socialist platform.

In fact, Hitler Rose to the chancery largely through the use of anti-semetic propaganda combined with promises to "Re-distribute" the ill-gotten Jewish held wealth back to its rightful producers, the Aryan Factory Laborers...

Sound Familiar?

There are so many parallels between what Obama has been doing over the last four years and things that were done by the NAZIs that it is a bit frightening.

America, with the lessons learned from a dozen other Ethnic National Socialist/Fascist tragedies to learn from, has been far better at resisting the mass hysteria appeal than the poor Germans were, it pays to know history.

The Wikipedia article on Nazism isn't half bad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

The full name of Adolf Hitler's party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers' Party). The acronym Nazi was formed from the first syllable of NAtional and the second syllable of SoZIalist. Such acronyms, usually formed from the initial letters or syllables of successive parts of compound names, were popular in the Third Reich. Another such example was Gestapo for GEheime STAatsPOlizei (Secret State-Police)."

But to tie all of this NAZI discussion back into the OP Thread, it seems to me that this is one of the outcomes of the Walker Recall Defeat.

There is no question in my mind that the Union led Recall effort was a Fascist political tactic.

And the America People successfully rejected it...How… EXCEPTIONAL!