Obama should contine to hammer away at the crisis he inherited ....

**birddog** · Jun 12 2012, 03:19 PM

Bush was a fairly good president considering he was following Clinton who caused the Iraq War and started the economic slide. Bush made mistakes, but was far from the worst president. Obama easily wins that title.

**Junkieturtle** · Jun 12 2012, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by birddog

Bush was a fairly good president considering he was following Clinton who caused the Iraq War and started the economic slide. Bush made mistakes, but was far from the worst president. Obama easily wins that title.

So now it's Clinton who caused the Iraq war, is it?

I have to admit, that's a new one.

**birddog** · Jun 12 2012, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Junkieturtle

So now it's Clinton who caused the Iraq war, is it?

I have to admit, that's a new one.

Not new if you remember the 90s. Clinton refused to take Bin Laden when offered to him, he was weak on illegal immigration and terrorist activities, and he weakened our military all contributing to giving terrorists the idea that we were a soft target, and we were.

**Junkieturtle** · Jun 13 2012, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by birddog

Not new if you remember the 90s. Clinton refused to take Bin Laden when offered to him, he was weak on illegal immigration and terrorist activities, and he weakened our military all contributing to giving terrorists the idea that we were a soft target, and we were.

Fair enough, I can accept the argument that Clinton could have stopped Bin laden and prevented 9/11. But, none of those things have anything to do with Iraq because Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9/11.

**Dan40** · Jun 13 2012, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by Junkieturtle

Fair enough, I can accept the argument that Clinton could have stopped Bin laden and prevented 9/11. But, none of those things have anything to do with Iraq because Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9/11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i87cZ3Og6ts

So the Democrats were NEVER in favor of a war with Iraq?

**Junkieturtle** · Jun 13 2012, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Dan40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i87cZ3Og6ts

So the Democrats were NEVER in favor of a war with Iraq?

I never said anything about the Democrats being in favor of or opposed to anything at all. Where did you get that claim from?

**Dan40** · Jun 13 2012, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by Junkieturtle

I never said anything about the Democrats being in favor of or opposed to anything at all. Where did you get that claim from?

Just interjecting some factual info while liberals are busy making more EXCUSES for barrack "THE EXCUSE" obama.
Clinton was the 'horn dog' president. Bush was the 'stammering' president. b.o. is the EXCUSE president. aka known as the "Don't blame ME" president.

**Junkieturtle** · Jun 13 2012, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Dan40

Just interjecting some factual info while liberals are busy making more EXCUSES for barrack "THE EXCUSE" obama.
Clinton was the 'horn dog' president. Bush was the 'stammering' president. b.o. is the EXCUSE president. aka known as the "Don't blame ME" president.

I would call those mostly fair assessments, though to ignore the role that Bush and the Republican's played in getting us to where we are today is showing a bit of your bias against Obama. Basically, there is a certain amount of "it's not my fault" that is factually truthful when Obama says it. Keywords though, are "certain amount".

**Taxcutter** · Jun 13 2012, 08:34 AM

Where does that buck stop?

The questions are: What do you do about it? When will the regulation machine get thrown into reverse?

**Dan40** · Jun 13 2012, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Junkieturtle

I would call those mostly fair assessments, though to ignore the role that Bush and the Republican's played in getting us to where we are today is showing a bit of your bias against Obama. Basically, there is a certain amount of "it's not my fault" that is factually truthful when Obama says it. Keywords though, are "certain amount".

What is that? The standard liberal tactic of playing the RACE CARD at every opportunity? NEITHER Bush nor obama are remotely responsible for CAUSING the crisis. The seeds of the crashes were planted, watered, and fertilized, LONG before either Bush or obama were ever in Washington. Bush didn't do enough to head off the crisis, and DEMOCRATS wouldn't let him. [SEE testimony by Frank and Dodd] Those seeds were cultivated by BOTH Republicans and Democrats trying [and succeeding] to buy votes with terrible legislation. obama's failure is in not just failing to fix anything, but actually making things worse. I said the day the Stimulus was passed, "The recovery just got EXTENDED at least 2 more years." As it turns out, I was wildly optimistic. b.o. not only hasn't fixed the crisis, he ACTIVELY PROMOTES the same policies that caused it. Even today he is PRESSURING banks to make loans to people that CANNOT repay that loan. And THAT IS the crux of the housing crash and ongoing crisis, both housing and financial.

And obama's promoting the same actions that CAUSED the problems is not in any way connected to him being Chocolate, Vanilla, Grape, or Tutti-Frutti. Its wholly due to him being stupid economically and inept as an executive. But you can go ahead and play the desperate, dumb ass, RACE CARD all you like.