If Hillary or Obama gets elected, we'll have four years of screw ups to fix.

If McCain gets elected we'll also have four years of screw ups to fix, and the demise of the conservative wing of the Republican Party as we know it. He'll run it into the ground, and dismantle it. The Dems will win the next one or maybe two terms after that. McCain is the GOP establishment's mind set of putting a guy out there who they feel deserves it despite the fact that their base doesn't.

Just like Gerald Ford.

Just like Bob Dole.

Nice guys, but losers despite that fact.

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"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)

Haven't we gone around on this before? You are saying we need to lose now so we can win later? You can't fix entitlements, Senax. They only get bigger, never smaller. A win by Hillary (no matter how slight) will be viewed as a mandate for nationalized healthcare. That's enough for me (though we could have an entire forum dedicated to why Hillary should never be given power of any kind), and it should be enough for you too.

It's one thing to say you won't vote for McCain in the primary (I won't either), quite another to say you'd rather see Hillary win than vote for him in the general.

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Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked... in the head... with an iron boot? Of course you don't, no one does. It never happens. It's a dumb question... skip it.

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Guys, I hate to burst your bubble and be a realist (again), but here's how this election looks:

You Reps, you guys better take the national security guy, or you get nothing.

Romney, trails both Dem candidates massively, there's no way he could win against either one of 'em.

McCain, has a slim chance against Obama, and a very good chance against HIllary.

You Republicans, are in no position, to be defining terms in this election.

You guys, oughta be grateful, to have even one viable candidate this time around.

My best advice to you guys, is take McCain and shut up about it. 'Cause the more the "right wing" of the party complains and whines, the more damage and destruction it's going to do inside the party, in advance of the time when the reconstruction occurs (which hasn't happened yet).

McCain is a very good guy, and he's the only chance you've got.

If you don't want to take him, then you're gonna "get", whatever the Dems wanna give you.

Sorry, but that's reality.

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"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)

What evidence do you have that Romney isn't a national security guy? What evidence do you have that McCain is?

You said the same thing last election about Bush trailing Kerry. Besides, I don't care about polls. They've been wrong more often than not in this election cycle alone.

Which of those three is the Republican again? I seem to get them all confused.

You mean we can't even vote now? Well dang.

Your definition of viable is vastly different than mine. You haven't been hanging around with JMS again have you?

Coming from a guy who's openly campaigning for Obama, I think I'll pass on your advice.

Seems to me he's the one you're hoping we'll vote for so your guy can beat him.

Yeah you Dems have always been so kind and tender about your political treatment of opponents.

I guess I'll have to shut down my waterboarding certification classes and sell off my styrofoam factory now.

Anyone want to buy my stock in Haliburton?

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"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)

Don't you compromise some principles every time you vote? Defeating Hillary is a principle in itself, IMO. After the primary, other principles become something of a luxury.

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Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked... in the head... with an iron boot? Of course you don't, no one does. It never happens. It's a dumb question... skip it.

Darn it Senax, I can't read that blue type of yours. I'm trying to respond, but I gotta cataract in my left eye, and I can't see low-contrast stuff, so every time I wanna read your posts I gotta get the magnifying glass and to it in slo-motion... is there any chance you could post in a "regular" color?

Just thought I'd ask, you know, on the off chance that you felt like being helpful....

Romney? National security? I don't think so. He's never even been out of the country, has he? He's just a business guy. He don't know squat about military. Betcha a dollar he's never even seen a tank or a howitzer. Or even an M-1.

McCain - I mean, I don't have to link to his Wiki page, do I? Career military, father and grandfather both admirals. son serving in Iraq,..... yeah - national security!

Are we on the same page?

Well.... usually polls are "close", yes? You know a few point here or there - those kinds of polls, you can't really tell, right? But the Romney numbers, are really bad. Hillary or Obama, beat him by almost two to one.

McCain, on the other hand, is only about two percentage points plus or minus - which, would the type of polling range that (as you say) would probably be "too close to call".

You guys are still trying to define what a Republican is?

Jeez.... I guess some people never learn, eh?

Anyone who's smart in the Republican Party, stopped doing that when Karl Rove resigned.

But, you know, there are always those "hangers-on" that pine for the "good old days"....

He's not "my" guy. He's the guy I think would be the best "next President of the United States". So far, I haven't really done any campaigning. So far, I've just told you why I like the guy, and what I see in him.

[quote=SenaxFlatulus;424572](puts on best Reagan voice).... "There you go again".....

Yes, please do dismantle the waterboarding stuff, as soon as Obama's prez, we'll be sending in inspectors. There, and to Cheney's basement.....

As far as the stock goes, my best advice to you, would be, pay the 50 bucks, get the certificate, and then sell it on eBay as a collectors' item.

yeah i hate "The Pats Act" too. My 95 year old grandfather, a life long democrat put in his absentie ballot for obama. That tells you something. I see a VP opportunity for Ann Colter. They could run together as the whiny *explitive* duo.

Looks like it??