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Old 02-02-2008, 06:17 AM
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Looks like it??
Man, that is not a pretty image.

Nah, I don't think Ann swings that way.

But hey, what the heck do I know?
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Old 02-02-2008, 10:31 AM
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At Least with McCain Republicans know what they are getting. Can't say the same about Romney and his everchanging views.

Are there any issues besides the abortion issue where Romney has changed his view? He has remained pretty consistently conservative on all other issues. A person is not allowed to change on any position?

McCain lambasted evangelicals and then came crawling back to them. He has changed his position on the Bush tax cuts after voting against them. I would say Romney is at least as consistent and far more consistently conservative than McCain.

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Haven't we gone around on this before? You are saying we need to lose now so we can win later? You can't fix entitlements, Senax. They only get bigger, never smaller. A win by Hillary (no matter how slight) will be viewed as a mandate for nationalized healthcare. That's enough for me (though we could have an entire forum dedicated to why Hillary should never be given power of any kind), and it should be enough for you too.

It's one thing to say you won't vote for McCain in the primary (I won't either), quite another to say you'd rather see Hillary win than vote for him in the general.
I agree. Let's not cut off our noses to spite our faces, Republicans. For ever how bad you think McCain would be, Hillary will most definitely be 100's of time worse. Besides, I think once he's president, we'll all see McCain's more conservative side start to appear after he sees how he'll be treated by the Democrats in the Senate and Congress. And his judicial nominees will most certainly be more conservative than Hillary's. He is anti-abortion; Hillary is not. He'll be strong on national security, defense, and the war on terror; Hillary will not. And he's got the real experience to be Commander-In-Chief; Hillary does not. Plus, with Hillary we'd have more of the same that we had during her husband's administration.....scandal after scandal and not having any principles. And her husband would really be running the show. He's had his 8 years; that's enough for us. No more.
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Quit beating around the Bush you all and face up to how things are. People are so sick of Conservative due to Bush that they are wanting a liberal to get in and turn the country around. Don't it tell you all since the majority is voting for a liberal republican or a liberal democrat that the majority is wanting a liberal to rule again come hell or high water. Bush blew it all for all you conservatives and I bet the White House won't have another conservative in for a long time. When Republican Herbert Hoover went out of office back in the 1930s then it was more than 20 years before another conservative [Eisenhower] got to regain the White House. Memories of Bush is going to cause the same thing to happen again for years to come.
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Besides, I think once he's president, we'll all see McCain's more conservative side start to appear after he sees how he'll be treated by the Democrats in the Senate and Congress.
After he wins the nomination, we will be seeing McCain's moderate/liberal side. Right now, this is as conservative as McCain will get as he tries to outdue Romney in slick right-wing one-liners. It will be interesting to see if he touts his previous opposition to the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy to prove his deficit hawk credentials, after flip-flopping on the issue once already. If he's president, I expect him to pretend to fight Congress in getting those tax cuts extended (as to not lose more of the Voodoo Economics base) but will probably concede.
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After he wins the nomination, we will be seeing McCain's moderate/liberal side. Right now, this is as conservative as McCain will get as he tries to outdue Romney in slick right-wing one-liners. It will be interesting to see if he touts his previous opposition to the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy to prove his deficit hawk credentials, after flip-flopping on the issue once already. If he's president, I expect him to pretend to fight Congress in getting those tax cuts extended (as to not lose more of the Voodoo Economics base) but will probably concede.
So, what do you think Hillary's doing? She's PRETENDING to be all conservative when she thinks it might help her. But everyone KNOWS she's NOT. You're not claiming that McCain would be more LIBERAL than Hillary are you? Because I doubt ANYBODY will buy that one.

McCain's is anti-abortion; Hillary is not. McCain is strong on national defense and the fight against terrorism; Hillary would take us backwards. McCain would most assuredly nominate more conservative judges; Hillary would most assuredly NOT.
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So, what do you think Hillary's doing? She's PRETENDING to be all conservative when she thinks it might help her. But everyone KNOWS she's NOT. You're not claiming that McCain would be more LIBERAL than Hillary are you? Because I doubt ANYBODY will buy that one.

McCain's is anti-abortion; Hillary is not. McCain is strong on national defense and the fight against terrorism; Hillary would take us backwards. McCain would most assuredly nominate more conservative judges; Hillary would most assuredly NOT.
I feel that McCain know who the boss is and that is the American people. This is why Bush has became so hated because the selfish old brat doesn't listen to the people and instead does what he want to do even if he has little support for his actions. McCain know to get this job then he has to adhere to the sign of the times to get the votes. Obama has everyone wanting a change and if none of these heavily-experienced ones don't try to give it to the people then the people are going to work hard to get Obama-the very inexperienced one in office. Romney just want to copy Bush and there is no way the American people want four more years of Bush unless they are profitting somehow from Bush's irrational and devastating actions
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Bush has became so hated because the selfish old brat doesn't listen to the people and instead does what he want to do even if he has little support for his actions.

So you prefer someone who blows here and there with the ever-changing winds of people's opinions. I prefer someone with grounded in valid convictions that does what they believe is right even when those actions might be unpopular.
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So, what do you think Hillary's doing? She's PRETENDING to be all conservative when she thinks it might help her. But everyone KNOWS she's NOT. You're not claiming that McCain would be more LIBERAL than Hillary are you? Because I doubt ANYBODY will buy that one.

McCain's is anti-abortion; Hillary is not. McCain is strong on national defense and the fight against terrorism; Hillary would take us backwards. McCain would most assuredly nominate more conservative judges; Hillary would most assuredly NOT.
Actually, Clinton is trying to appear more liberal now. This is as liberal as we will see her until she wins the nomination. Like her husband, she's fairly moderate. If Clinton is like her husband, she will help bring us relative peace and prosperity and improve our shattered image in the world. As strong of a leader she might be, however, I prefer Obama, for his clear consistency on the Iraq issue. Regardless, the Republican way has failed this country 100X over.
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