Maybe I hang around a different group of people than stekim, but I think Mitt's bigger hurdle was convincing Southern voters that he wasn't just another northeast country club republican who would talk-the-talk but not address their core issues (abortion, guns, family values). It didn't help that Mitt changed his stance to match that agenda only recently.

Huckabee's brand of economics might not sit well with Limbaugh conservatives, but it does strike a chord with many southern voters, many of whom were formerly Conservative Democrats.

Oh, I'm sure you have a much higher class of friends.

Agreed. I think that was the biggest factor, with the presence of Huckabee a close second. Which is why I think attributing his loss to anti-Mormon bigotry is silly. But I do believe that if anyone was going to vote against him *because* he was Mormon, it would be the conservative evangelicals. Not because they're simple religious bigots -- though there is inevitably some of that -- but because they're the only people who take the whole "heretic" thing seriously.

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Man up.

Yes, I certainly believe that such people exist, I just don't believe that they comprise a very large portion of the evangelical community. I'd guess that the vast majority of evangelicals don't know a thing about Mormons.

I think it was really dumb of Romney's people to start throwing accusations as early as Iowa, especially given the number of people who self-describe as evangelical in the exit polls.

I know why Mitt didn't get the nod.

It has nothing to do with evangelicals.

The RNC got wind of the real reason why Mitt couldn't win the election and passed the word around that Mitt is OUT.

Here is why:

"And he had caused the cursing to come upon [the Lamanites], yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, and they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them." (2 Nephi 5:21).

The Book of Mormon says that the "sons of Cain" are all the "dark skinned" people. Have you ever seen a person of color knock on your door, dressed in white shirts and black ties?

Romney was the golden child for the Democrats. They were praying he could pass himself off as a Republican, then get the nod. Because the National press were going to clime all over him for his faith's undeniable bigotry. Mormons believe that being black is a curse!

"[T]heir scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and a delightsome people" (2 Nephi 30:6).

When it was discovered that "white" was divisive, the Mormons erased that part and put in the word, "pure".

But no matter how they spin it. The message is clear. If you are black, you are not "the pure" people. But if you are a good Mormon. Eventually God will like you, in spite of your genetic signature.

Mitt could pretend he no longer supported abortion, but it was clear to the Presidency of the Mormon church that they would have to explain too much if the Press got a hold of Mitt. So he bowed out. There is also that whole thing about Joseph Smith being a fraud, child molester, and a thief. But I will save that for a different day.

Why do you think Mitt refused to talk about his faith???

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"I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution." March 4, 1869, Grant's First Inaugural Address

i don't think abortion, guns, and family values should be issues for a president.

You make these over statements more than you sign your own name.

Haruha, you have got to use more nouns...

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"I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution." March 4, 1869, Grant's First Inaugural Address

Well, I was planning to pull the level for Romney had he still been in the race for my March 4th Primary here in Texas. And I'm certainly NOT a leftist aethist. Far from it.

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"What exactly is this foreign policy experience?" Obama said mockingly of the New York senator. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no."

I can't really think of a way to make that sound better. it's exactly what i wanted to say. you make a lot of overstatements. so many that you often keep people from agreeing with you. unless that was your plan the whole time! oh my. i've fallen prey to your evil trap.

I looked up "overstatements" in the dictionary and this is what it said:

To "overstate"
Main Entry: over·state; Function: transitive verb
: to state in too strong terms : exaggerate <overstated his qualifications>

So what you are saying is: I exagerate my points too much. And people aren't in agreement with me on certain issues because of those exaggerations. Can you use a specific example from this thread, so I can get a better idea of what you are talking about.

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"I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution." March 4, 1869, Grant's First Inaugural Address