http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/...der/index.html

Right now the polling is showing Obama as beating McCain. But Hillary numbers are so close that it is a statistical tie. She is slightly ahead, but it is within the margin of error.

However, we also all know that it is not the popular vote that matters (ask Al Gore). So I dont know what the electorial colledge breakdowns would be between Hillary and Obama and McCain.

It's also 9 months to election day. Any such poll is all-but-meaningless. Too much can happen between now and then.

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mccain isn't goign to come close to either.

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So your logic is that if we are not there, the number will go down... That makes perfect sense... not.

The Democratic Party primaries will win the national elections,
I'm willing to bet my country on it!

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LMAO

McCain is going to grab the Democrats by the nuts on Iraq and twist....

(Oh and to rub salt in ..anti-war Republicans and Independents in the contests so far have been voting for McCain.)

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Iraq is McCain's weakest issue and Obama's strongest. Both are pretty consistent on that issue. However, unlike Obama, McCain is consistently wrong.

Democrats have a large general political advantage in '08, but McCain evens the playing field to a large degree for the presidency. He will be able to trump Democrats on issues like global warming mitigation and torture. The power of fear may be his biggest asset, though, as it generally is for Republicans.

Clinton vs Obama - polls show Obama matching up better against McCain but this is largely because he hasn't felt the full force of the Republican smear machine. He's only take a few jabs here and there. Clinton has already had the mud slung at her for many years and is a proven survivor. Additional smears probably won't have much effect. More intense lies about Obama are on the way, this one brought to you by the makers of "Hillary, the Movie".

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...lm-on-the-way/

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Way too early to tell!! Obama may have a Monica that Michelle does not know about but his enemies find out.

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yea, just like all the war supporters on this forum. reaching for any useless argument they can come up with just so they can keep discussing. lol.

unless the dems destroy themselves, mccain has no chance. obama would beat him worse because he had it right from the start, but hillary wouldnt lose to him.

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exactly. i hope to god Hilary doesn't run.

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So your logic is that if we are not there, the number will go down... That makes perfect sense... not.

SURGE wrong???
Oh nm that was the Democrats but they're ignoring it atm. BTW they left a paper pile beyond belief of trying to lose for years(there is no hiding from that)...ignoring success+trying to lose for years..oh yeah thats a winner all right.

Still preaching the same lines of late 2006..
Obama/Hillary.... love the troops so much they don't have time to mention it past "I'll lose asap" and "I'll lose in 90 days".
Neither has changed a word....in a year+



McCain has made a point that Iraq will not be sidelined. SO in that regard their simplistic crap makes it easier for him to attack.
The Democrats are devoid of adequate return fire as all they will do is help highlight his role in pushing for the Surge while upsetting Bush and in the end showing his ideas where correct.
Personally attack him and he falls back on hero status his military record AND his son in Iraq.<-That woudl be a huge mistake by Democrats.
He's almost unassailable on this..you say he said 100 years..well duh we have been in Korea for 60+....that is what he meant as he made clear..
Dumb one liners don't stick well either.




4+ years of this and still some don't seem to understand the simplicity of losing wars as being an antithesies to americanism.



Democrats need Independents Moderates as much as Republicans and your fooling yourselves if you think pie in the sky run away stuff is going to beat out McCain.

With the help of JMS types declaring Iraq 'useless' you can see Democrats losing states to McCain they thought they didn't need to worry about.

Twist...

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"We make war that we may live in peace"
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever."
"Oderint dum metuant"
"Inartful: clear and straightforward, lacking the artistry that allows subsequent self-refutation and denial."
http://members.cox.net/neddy/bobhope_kerfuffles.wmv
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RnfflRNpwKA
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