Thread: Barack HUSSEIN Obama is finished

Originally Posted by ragin cajun

I was asking sfjeff. Clearly he is one that wants to stack the SCOTUS with left wingers so that they can find free contraceptives and abortion on demand constitutional.

There is no conservative agenda. There won't be any rollback on abortion or contraceptives. Leftists have nothing to fear from conservative nominees to the Supreme Court.

But race relations between black and white are going to undergo a sharp deterioration. What the left doesn't realize is that in an era of little economic growth the competition between blacks and whites will intensify. Tribalism will be the death of leftism in America.

Originally Posted by ragin cajun

Hope you dem/libs enjoyed the last 4 years. Because your kenyan messiah (black muslim according to Madonna) will be nothing but a bad chapter in the US history books. Massive failure in every aspect of presidential leadership. Worst president in history. Over, done, gone.

I hope your not planning on that tool Willard to get elected. Cause thats not going to happen. So if its not going to be Obama... who is gonna be pres?

Originally Posted by SFJEFF

Let me remind you- that you are the one who started off labelling what you don't like 'liberalism"

liberalism, both financial and social, always fails. always has, always will. your state is a perfect example of failed liberalism. but the ignorance of liberals continues unabated.

Those were your words. I pointed out issues of 'social liberalism'- like Birth control and women's vote that were successes- and showed that your claim that 'liberalism' always fails once again is a false claim by you.

But if you want to step away from labelling everything 'liberal' go for it. Don't raise the subject if you don't want to discuss it.



Oh that is a whole can of worms. Do you realize that Republican does not necessarily mean Conservative? Republicans of their era were moderate liberals- Lincoln was considered by the deeply Conservative South to be as radical as you consider Obama today. Yes- parties change- but what is 'liberal' and what is 'conservative' doesn't change- lets go with a definition that I think you will agree with:

Conservative: believes that less government is better, and extreme conservatives believe there should be no government regulation of business
Liberals: believes that government has a role in regulating business and protecting individuals from big business.



Why don't you define conservatism for me then? Hint- not so long ago a Democrat could be conservative and a Republican could actually be liberal.

I think we found a rare point of agreement.

Now, please read this article and tell me if you can find any "lies" in it.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/10/03/t...#axzz28StfcdIm

I know you will condemn the source---guns, ammo etc. evil stuff that right wingers like, but please read the article all the way through. you might actually learn something about obama

Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo

There is no conservative agenda. There won't be any rollback on abortion or contraceptives. Leftists have nothing to fear from conservative nominees to the Supreme Court.

But race relations between black and white are going to undergo a sharp deterioration. What the left doesn't realize is that in an era of little economic growth the competition between blacks and whites will intensify. Tribalism will be the death of leftism in America.

you nailed it. we are very close to becoming greece-------or libya.

Originally Posted by Turin

I hope your not planning on that tool Willard to get elected. Cause thats not going to happen. So if its not going to be Obama... who is gonna be pres?

it obama wins, America loses. He could win, the number of ignorant people in this country is very large.

Originally Posted by ragin cajun

This thread is about obama and why he is a losing to a businessman with a record of success.

Then why do you keep bringing up wierd stuff up that has nothing to do with that?

Originally Posted by SFJEFF

Then why do you keep bringing up wierd stuff up that has nothing to do with that?

read the article I posted in post #243, then we can talk.

Originally Posted by ragin cajun

what is the right wing agenda in your mind?

Among other things pretty straight forward:
a) Making abortion illegal on a federal level
b) Preventing most regulation of business, except when such regulation results in increased profits for business
c) Ending most environmental laws
d) Ending any remaining affirmative action programs (though this is not a big issue for me- this is a big right wing agenda issue)
e) Federal oversight of elections

Originally Posted by ragin cajun

the definitions of liberal and conservative are different today than they were in the 1800s. After all, Lincoln, a republican, freed the slaves.

you equate conservativism with the robber barrons, and most of them were democrats. and most of them today are democrats---Soros, Immelt, Gates, Buffet, Oprah. Robert KKK Byrd (D) was a staunch segregationalist as was Al Gore's father, both voted against the civil rights act.

So I think you need to back off a little with the labels.

This thread is about obama and why he is a losing to a businessman with a record of success.

wow. you really ARE a neophyte, aren't you. You run away from your own idiotic statements about Dodd-Frank causing the housing crisis that happened more than two years before it was passed... cowardly, but stupid, nonetheless, and now, in the space of just a few short sentences, you get yourself all tangled up with labels while trying to school someone else on labels.

"Conservative" and "Liberal" have changed very little since the start of the 20th century... what has changed, are the platforms and philosophies and core constituencies of the two major political parties. To use your example...Lincoln was a liberal AND a republican. Stephen Douglas, on the other hand, was a democrat and very conservative.

I am, first and foremost, a liberal progressive.

I happen to align myself with the democratic party because, for my lifetime, they have been the party that has more consistently championed the liberal agenda. But whether republicans or democrats were supporting it, make no mistake that the liberal progressive philosophical agenda flat out WON the 20th century and will, undoubtedly, win the 21st as well.

People can say that we are a "center-right" nation, and that is all well and good, as long as everyone realizes that what is "center-right" today was so far left of the mainstream 100 years ago, it wasn't even IN the stream... it was floundering on the left bank. The country has moved, inexorably, glacially, to the left for more than a century now and I see no reason to think it will stop. Women's suffrage: a progressive liberal idea. Child Labor laws: a progressive liberal idea. The rights of workers to organize and collectively bargain: a progressive liberal idea. Civil rights, Social Security, minimum wage, medicare, medicaid, ADA, environmental protection, and on and on the list goes... all issues that, when they were first discussed in American political discussions were considered far left wacko ultra liberal ideas... now, they're all right in the mainstream.

I remember cracking up when I saw an old geezer at a teabagger rally with a sign that read, "keep your socialist hands off my medicare!". Go back and read what Ron Reagan predicted would happen to America if we ever passed Medicare. It was anathema to the conservatives in America and now, conservatives embrace it as if it had been their idea all along.

Look at the Stonewall riots in NYC in 1969. Gays and lesbians were being thrown in jail simply for being gays and lesbians. a mere four decades later, and gay marriage is LEGAL in the state of New York.

Conservatives can only temporarily stem the tide of progressive liberalism....you have never been able to stop it or reverse it.

Sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride.

Originally Posted by ragin cajun

I was asking sfjeff. Clearly he is one that wants to stack the SCOTUS with left wingers so that they can find free contraceptives and abortion on demand constitutional.

Clearly you can't read my mind.

Why do you want to stack the court with right wingers? I could pretend to know what you want and say it is because you want contraception banned and prayer in schools but I really don't know what your reason for wanting the court to be 'stacked'.

Bush tried to 'stack' it one way, Obama another. Thats why electing the President you agree with is important.