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Old 08-04-2004, 08:15 AM
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Kerry served 4 months in 'Nam, he was injured three times (the first being in his first 24 hours in Vietnam). He WILL NOT release the details of his injuries for the public to see (I am speculating that he stubbed his toe).
Wrong. All details are from this link: http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp

All three were shrapnel wounds, one in his arm and one in his leg that didn't require time off from duty, and a third from a mine that laid him up for a couple of days. But please, go ahead and fault him for not getting wounded more seriously.

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Additionally, he eventually got out of Vietnam because he wanted to run for office and a senator gave him a "early out".
Wrong. Navy regulations at the time specified that any soldier wounded three times be reassigned out of a combat zone to a posting of his choosing unless he specifically requested to stay. He was eventually transferred to New York, where he worked as an aide to Rear Admiral Walter Schlech.

At the end of 1969, he requested an early discharge from the Navy so he could run for Congress. Admiral Schlech approved the discharge, and he left the Navy six months early.

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He also stated that we should abandon Vietnam and leave our POWs behind.
Best I can find, this is a reference to Kerry, in 1971, saying we should end the war and withdraw from Vietnam, and then negotiate the release of prisoners.

I don't understand the problem with that. Isn't that how every war works? In World War II, did we return prisoners before Germany surrendered? Did Germany return prisoners before it surrendered?

You end hostilities, and then you swap prisoners. What am I missing here?
Most of the guys who got a little scratch that didn't even require missing a 1/2 day of work, didn't put in for a Purple Heart. But Kerry made sure he put in for his.
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BTW..Does Kerry still have shrapnel in his body? Anyone know? I think I read that a while back. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
According to the snopes link, "A shrapnel wound in his left arm gave Kerry pain for years."

Says who? Kerry.
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Old 08-04-2004, 08:19 AM
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BTW..Does Kerry still have shrapnel in his body? Anyone know? I think I read that a while back. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
According to the snopes link, "A shrapnel wound in his left arm gave Kerry pain for years."

Says who? Kerry.
No point with you, JP5..Absolutely no point!!
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Old 08-04-2004, 08:26 AM
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Default Face it liberhaters!

You guys can rant and rave all you want to that Kerry is a war hero. That isn't going to change a thing.

Fact: there are MANY testimonies from Vietnam Vets who refute Kerry's stories...up to and including his former commanding officer.

We'll all believe which side we think has more veracity, but you liberhaters will never get America to believe that Kerry's Vietnam experiences are NOT highly questionable....based upon the testimonies of OTHER vets WHO WERE THERE. (as if his "war protester days with Hanoi Jane weren't enough anyway....)

Sucks for you!! Ha ha!!
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Old 08-04-2004, 08:29 AM
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BTW..Does Kerry still have shrapnel in his body? Anyone know? I think I read that a while back. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
According to the snopes link, "A shrapnel wound in his left arm gave Kerry pain for years."

Says who? Kerry.
Okay, here's another link. It's from his campaign, but the source is his Navy medical records: http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/medical.html

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Mr. Kerry sustained an injury when he was wounded by a piece of B- 40 shrapnel while on operation. He was noted to have a wound of entry on the back of his left thigh and the wound was debrided and treated with the application of a topical dressing. An x-ray confirmed the shrapnel location but a decision was made to leave the shrapnel in place, as successful removal would have necessitated an extensive wider exposure and block excision of the wound. The course of conservative treatment was successful and a wound infection did not develop. The wound was ultimately closed with sutures following debridement of necrotic tissue.
There is a discrepancy: This says the shrapnel was left in his left thigh, not his left arm. He was also wounded in his left arm, but they took the shrapnel out.

But it appears that he IS carrying a piece of metal around in his body.
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Old 08-04-2004, 08:38 AM
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BTW..Does Kerry still have shrapnel in his body? Anyone know? I think I read that a while back. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
According to the snopes link, "A shrapnel wound in his left arm gave Kerry pain for years."

Says who? Kerry.
Okay, here's another link. It's from his campaign, but the source is his Navy medical records: http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/medical.html

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Mr. Kerry sustained an injury when he was wounded by a piece of B- 40 shrapnel while on operation. He was noted to have a wound of entry on the back of his left thigh and the wound was debrided and treated with the application of a topical dressing. An x-ray confirmed the shrapnel location but a decision was made to leave the shrapnel in place, as successful removal would have necessitated an extensive wider exposure and block excision of the wound. The course of conservative treatment was successful and a wound infection did not develop. The wound was ultimately closed with sutures following debridement of necrotic tissue.
There is a discrepancy: This says the shrapnel was left in his left thigh, not his left arm. He was also wounded in his left arm, but they took the shrapnel out.

But it appears that he IS carrying a piece of metal around in his body.
Let me help you, RAY...because you are using his website, "his detractors" will tell you its false:

http://www.detnews.com/2004/politics...ics-132427.htm

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0404/141856.html

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa..._records_show/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/s...l=chi-news-hed

But wait..THERE'S MORE...

http://www.stargeek.com/item/102510.html

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...military_x.htm

BTW..He arranged with the VietCong to have the shrapnel inserted into his body because he knew he would need that "excuse" in 2004!
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The charge that Kerry took along 8mm equipment in order to document his heroics in vietnam, and the asserted history of this man claiming since age twelve to aspire to the presidency, should support the aphorism "American Dream".

This man did what every mother would be proud of their son for doing. Setting a lofty goal and following a plan to achieve that goal.

So focused has John Kerry been on acheiving this ultimate reality, he has taken little time to discover what a deplorable, narcissistic "doorknob" he has become. ( Or ultimately has always been.)

So absorbed in his own selfish interest, he has exhibited little time in service of others. Accounts and examples of his self-righteous attitude and elitist perspective are so apparent to anyone who rightly identifies with truth, has any modicum of common sense, and at the very least has access to media other than CNN.

Kerry supporters, consumed with their own indignation of "good" policy and contempt of truth, support this behavior and must justify it by resisting what they know to be right. Ultimately afraid of losing personal liberty to "be bad", the left wants to take over religion, morality and the code of conduct for a 'civilized' society. Selfishness and the fear of "God", in any form, is the basis for the left's attack on everyone else.

A good example of Kerry's selfishness was displayed during his acceptance speech at the DNC where Kerry was so anxious to hear himself talk, he had little patience for applause. Does he really care about this country or is he more interested in his personal indulgences? I vote for the latter... and Bush.
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The charge that Kerry took along 8mm equipment in order to document his heroics in vietnam, and the asserted history of this man claiming since age twelve to aspire to the presidency, should support the aphorism "American Dream".

This man did what every mother would be proud of their son for doing. Setting a lofty goal and following a plan to achieve that goal.

So focused has John Kerry been on acheiving this ultimate reality, he has taken little time to discover what a deplorable, narcissistic "doorknob" he has become. ( Or ultimately has always been.)

So absorbed in his own selfish interest, he has exhibited little time in service of others. Accounts and examples of his self-righteous attitude and elitist perspective are so apparent to anyone who rightly identifies with truth, has any modicum of common sense, and at the very least has access to media other than CNN.

Kerry supporters, consumed with their own indignation of "good" policy and contempt of truth, support this behavior and must justify it by resisting what they know to be right. Ultimately afraid of losing personal liberty to "be bad", the left wants to take over religion, morality and the code of conduct for a 'civilized' society. Selfishness and the fear of "God", in any form, is the basis for the left's attack on everyone else.

A good example of Kerry's selfishness was displayed during his acceptance speech at the DNC where Kerry was so anxious to hear himself talk, he had little patience for applause. Does he really care about this country or is he more interested in his personal indulgences? I vote for the latter... and Bush.
So if he had exercised more patience for "applause", you would not be calling him "self-serving", would you? Do you even know why he unfortunately "rushed" through the speech?
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He had time constraints? Regardless, he was not interested in the results of what he said, only in what he said.
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So absorbed in his own selfish interest, he has exhibited little time in service of others.
Going to Vietnam and 20 years in the Senate aside, right? Oh, right, I forget that some people argue that Kerry's decision to get shot at was "selfish."

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Kerry supporters, consumed with their own indignation of "good" policy and contempt of truth, support this behavior and must justify it by resisting what they know to be right.
So ,then, you have the direct line to truth?

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Ultimately afraid of losing personal liberty to "be bad", the left wants to take over religion, morality and the code of conduct for a 'civilized' society. Selfishness and the fear of "God", in any form, is the basis for the left's attack on everyone else.
Quite a broad, shallow brush you have there.

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A good example of Kerry's selfishness was displayed during his acceptance speech at the DNC where Kerry was so anxious to hear himself talk, he had little patience for applause.
This makes no sense on the face of it. Doesn't applause mean approval, which any self-respecting egoist would bask in? As well, didn't Dick Cheney recently chide an audience for applauding because he wanted to keep talking?

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Does he really care about this country or is he more interested in his personal indulgences? I vote for the latter... and Bush.
Again, that logic doesn't follow. Bush is the poster boy for personal indulgences and selfish agendas. Please, show me all the time he has spent in "service to others."
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