Well I just listened to Sen. Clinton and then Obama in Wisconsin on C-Span.

Sen. Clinton actually brought tears to my eyes when she spoke about the vets and the children. And I think she may have had one or two as well. She spoke of a vet who said not to forget his friends back in Iraq who need our help but that when it was over, please not to forget about fixing him too.

As she always does, she *detailed* her real solutions to our country's problems. You know she has them well thought out and planned out.

Then Obama, the rock star takes his turn. He did the usual "Washington insider" bit going on about how he's different, how he's not a Washington guy etc., etc. Well, we heard that before didn't we? Remember back in 2000 when George W. Bush spoke about Washington Insiders like it was something so horrible you couldn't even put it to words, braggin all the time how he wasn't one? And look what happened there.

Then Obama goes on to try to address the criticism of how his message of hope has been criticized (how dare we do that!). How does he do that? By taking sound bites from everything and everyone he could plagiarize from the Declaration of Independence, to old speeches of Martin Luther King. And as usual, he stirred up the crowd. You'd have thought it was the new civil rights ralley. (Apparently these people never experienced it the first time.) But as usual, there was a stark contrast in the lack of detail between the two candidates plans.

And of course he had to brag again about how he voted against the war.

I just hope that Wisconsinites are smart enough to see beyond his empty rhetoric.

Oh, and I almost forgot. As usual, he had his people call up on the Republican phone line and tell their story of how they are life long republicans but he is so great and amazing yada yada yada, that for the first time, they plan to vote for him.

Yeah, right. My guess is they are his workers making those calls, and those people were NEVER republicans.

I couldn't get a call through to speak my piece.

Rae

Which which solutions did she detail that Obama and McCain have not at one point?

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So you're one of the suckers who falls for her BS? That's too bad. If she *detailed* her *real* solutions during a campaign speech that tells me all I need to know about her solutions. Obama has his plans all outlined on his website and they are too *detailed* to go over in a campaign speech. This is the typical rhetoric I would expect from a Hillary supporter. If she brings you to tears you should go into my "To all Billary Supporters" thread and explain her hypocrisy since you seem to be versed in her solutions. Maybe that will do something to your stomach.

We don't need to know what he isn't, we need to know what he IS - and other than that he promises "change", nobody knows.

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How hard is this?

Seriously. The man has a freaking entire section devoted to what he's about yet "nobody knows." You want to bash what he's about? Great! Do your homework first.

shhh, exodus. just let the repubs flunk out. dont do your homework, repubs! hes crazy!

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OK, let's look at your campaign PR - as example, Obama's positions on "immigration" (translation: illegal aliens).

Incremental additions have completely failed so far - what does mean by the above, precisely? Will he do something DIFFERENT? What? How much will it cost? No clue.
Does he mean fixing the dysfunctional bureaucracy is just allowing it to pull in more immigrants? How is that "fixing" anything? Is he aware that the immigration authorities lose track of many thousands of people who overstay their visas, and are never tracked down? That's one example of things that REALLY need to be fixed - the above is just a statement on immigration policy. What is he going to do to FIX the bureaucracy? No clue.
How will he do that? That's been the current system, in place since 1986, which the government has failed to enforce. Will he just drift with this, or implement something new? What? No clue.

What does he mean, "undocumented immigrants who are in good standing"? They are felons - they've broken the law. No clue what this means.

How? What will he do? How much will it cost US taxpayers? No clue.

Obama is a pig in a poke - although most people get the general drift - liberal/leftism, there's no telling what he'll do - and his allies the lib media have let him get away with it.

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Blade, those pages are not going to be all that detailed- please see the other candidate's pages for comparison. That said, you don't give this section enough credit.

From the Factsheet at the bottom of the page. This sentence follows the one on the front, that Blade is refering to:

"Obama believes we need additional Customs and Border Protection agents equipped with better technology and real-time intelligence."

Ok so more agents- this won't help? I think you're guilty of some hyperbole with that "completely failed"- better tech and "real-time intelligence". A google including that phrase turned up this page: http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.o...il/sb-beat.htm

Thats two years old, but perhaps hes refering to these? I imagine there can't be too many of them flying around. If you want to reasearch what he means, I'm sure you can. I'm sure a journalist could.

From a few inches down the screen: "Fix the Bureaucracy: Obama joined Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) to introduce the Citizenship Promotion Act..." And there is a few paragraphs in the factsheet, mainly outlining what the Act involves, as far as I can tell.

Its mentioned about three inches later, but more detail in the factsheet: "...Barack Obama has championed a proposal with Senators Charles Grassley (R-IA), Ted Kennedy (D-MA) and Max Baucus (D-MT) to create a new employment eligibility..." so to answer your question, something new apparently. Somewhere you can see whats been proposed in the Senate I hope?

"America has always been a nation of immigrants. There are millions of people living in the shadows who would like to fully embrace our values and become full members of our democracy. For the millions living here illegally but otherwise playing by the rules, we must encourage them to come out of hiding and get right with the law. Barack Obama supports a system that allows undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, not violate the law, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens."

Factsheet, 1st point. Well hes essentially outlined the law he'd want- a fine, English lessons, abide then chance to be a citizen. Can you see the humanitarian and economic rationales for this approach? Does the 1st line not strike a chord with you?

No clue. Though if their country wan't as messed up as it is right now, you can see how that would help- might eventually recoup any investment- less border security expenses for one. Its an aspect I'd hope the candidates would be looking at- rather holistic.

It's the only line they have. What I realized loud and clear watching the pundits scratch the heads over the last few weeks, is the "problem" with
this election is the public is actually DECIDING. The Republicans didn't want McCain, too bad, the voters obviously did, at least more than they wanted
any of the other options.
On the Democratic side, the party hacks made peace with the idea of
Hillary eventually being the nominee as soon as Bills term was over.
Alot of Democrats have been working hard over the last 8 years to come
to terms with that as well. Only then along came this young guy with
no experience and the audacity to think he could make a difference.
All was well until he actually starting winning. Not because the party
hacks and pundits approved him, because the voters decided.

It's killing the hacks on both sides that they can't have their way.
Maybe we actually do have something to thank George W. Bush for,
after all. After 8 years of his Administrations lies, cover ups and screw
ups, America finally pulled themselves away from American Idol long
enough to figure out there just may be something more important to vote for. America is mad as hell and not going to take it any more.

McCain is the nominee for all intents and purposes. Oh and Rush, Anne
and the rest of you nutjobs, you're right, he's not really a conservative.
Bites doesn't it?
Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party, even if they have
to drag Hillary kicking and screaming from the convention. Even the
Democrats aren't stupid enough to screw it up this time.

Two decent, honorable men, with vastly different views on many subjects will run against each other this year. In spite of the nutjobs and hacks.

See, I understand exactly what Michelle Obama was saying in her now
famous mistep. This is the first time in my adult life I've actually been
proud of Americans voting habits. On both sides. We are deciding this
time! Finally.

The replies in your post add nothing to clarity, but also show Obama's evasions of the issues:

What's the big deal with this? Somebody is going to put another gizmo on the border. All this is a distraction, and although the border has to have reasonable security - it's NOT THE ISSUE, which is getting rid of the illegal aliens. Informed people now know the way to do that is drying up the employment for illegals by implementing real ID for employees, and enacting huge fines for corporate scofflaws. Obama wants to play the same game on this as Bush - occasionally make some news about some additional incremental ineffective border protection, while doing nothing about the real issue - THE 20 MILLION ILLEGALS WHO ARE HERE.

Yes, here we go again. When people became concerned about the dysfunctional bureaucracy, it was that they didn't track down people who overstayed their visa. Now LEGALIZING the people who should be thown out is "solving the problem???

And there you go AGAIN!!! The "solution" to people being here and who should be expelled is to give them work???? That's like saying the problem to getting rid of mice in your house when your traps haven't worked is to feed them cheese.


America has always been a nation of LEGAL immigrants!!!!
We don't owe these people anything except to send them back to Mexico! The LAST thing we need at this juncture of history, with an extremely competitive global economy, is to be the dumping ground for 20 million of mexico's poor, and no doubt tens of millions more in the future. Can't you grasp that Obama and his like are pulling this stunt because they just want to get millions of more democrat voters, and they're willing to destroy this country, to turn it into something it isn't and much worse, just so they can grab and hold political power??

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