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Old 03-03-2008, 09:42 PM
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I know y'all will think I got the idea from Rush, but I actually began thinking about it when the nomination of McCain seemed inevitable. Texans rarely have a choice in the nomination process, so this is my chance.

Newt Gingrich said republicans shouldn't play God by crossing over to help choose the other party's nominee. I think he's wrong. He's looking at it from the POV of Congress when they choose their own party leaders. Of course, I wouldn't be crossing over to choose a party leader. I'd be crossing over to choose the person I think would be a better president than the other one.

Both parties in Texas chose to have open primaries. If they wanted only input from those registered with their party, that was their chance. As it is, I have to assume that they want as much input as they can get, including crossovers.

Now, IMO, there is something dishonest in voting for the candidate that I think McCain has the best chance of beating. However, if I vote for the candidate I prefer over the other, I see nothing wrong with that.

I suspect that some of you won't agree. I'd like to know why.
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My wife decided about a month ago that she is going to do just that.
I can't do it though, makes me queasy. My primary vote is going to Dr. Paul. Sort of a protest vote against the Republican establishment lol.
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Umm 12th, I'm confused.. (well doubley confused, first I thought this thread was gonna be about John Edward's CrossingOver show). But why would you not vote for McCain in the TX primaries? I thought he was your guy?

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Does this mean that if you determine that a Democratic candidate would make a better president than McCain (purely hypothetical of course) would you vote for them in the general election?

In my opinion it would be immoral to vote for a Democrat in the Primary and then vote for McCain in the General. But if you really think that a Democrat would make a better president, I say you should vote for them as many times as you can (for you that can be up to three).

I have to be honest, this is kind of blowing my mind.
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He figures McCain has it wrapped up.

On a side note I remember reading that a number of places wanted to go closed but ran into legal problems when trying to do so. I forget the details.

To me it doesn't pass the "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" test. However it's complicated a bit because sometimes in politics there are "rules of engagement" that both sides operate under that go against that a bit.

Of course if you would consider crossing the party line to vote for your democrat I'm sure they'd be happy to have your input.
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Any Republican who votes for Hillary Clinton, regardless of their reasoning, has a serious identity crisis on their hands.
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I know y'all will think I got the idea from Rush, but I actually began thinking about it when the nomination of McCain seemed inevitable. Texans rarely have a choice in the nomination process, so this is my chance.

Newt Gingrich said republicans shouldn't play God by crossing over to help choose the other party's nominee. I think he's wrong. He's looking at it from the POV of Congress when they choose their own party leaders. Of course, I wouldn't be crossing over to choose a party leader. I'd be crossing over to choose the person I think would be a better president than the other one.

Both parties in Texas chose to have open primaries. If they wanted only input from those registered with their party, that was their chance. As it is, I have to assume that they want as much input as they can get, including crossovers.

Now, IMO, there is something dishonest in voting for the candidate that I think McCain has the best chance of beating. However, if I vote for the candidate I prefer over the other, I see nothing wrong with that.

I suspect that some of you won't agree. I'd like to know why.
I asked this same question about a month ago... Just wanted to throw that out there.

Post #16.

I think you should caucus if you are doing it to create the best of both worlds. I do not think you should caucus if you are doing it to try to put a weaker candidate up against your first choice.

As you said, they could have had closed primaries... They chose not to.
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Sick, I'll be voting for Paul in November.

Ted, McCain is not my first choice, though I do like him.

Garth, why would it be immoral for me to vote for the one I think would be a better president? Some of y'all are convinced that a Republican can't win, so why shouldn't I have a say in who the Democrat is?

Sunny, I'm a lady. My username is an Aggie thing.

Exodus, I have no party affiliation. We don't register parties in Texas.
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This is one of the reasons we have primaries, it is to vote for a member of the other party when your candidate is already in the bag. Whatever that reason is, it's your choice.
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I think you should caucus if you are doing it to create the best of both worlds. I do not think you should caucus if you are doing it to try to put a weaker candidate up against your first choice.
Funny thing is I can go vote during the day, then go caucus that night. I wouldn't try to decide who's the weaker candidate. It's impossible at this point.
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