The plan is the message, for now at least. Until Obama, Clinton or Mccain becomes president and starts acting as president we will not be able to see their plan, but we can only judge now their message, which should be accepted as their plan. This begs me to suggest that Obamas message or plan is better than that of any remaining candidate.

Why did you only quote my first few words? I was pretty specific in the rest of my post - it's not my job to lay out his entire platform for you, he's already done that on his website with pretty specific details. It's pretty unfair to ask us exactly what his plan is because honestly no one has their entire plan laid out as they see it happening. Take some time to look at his website, I remember seeing plenty of specifics there, but don't expect a bill-ready proposal either, that doesn't happen until they become president.

Really? So that's all it takes for you 'crats, huh? A nice message? Something to make you feel all warm 'n cuddly? A few generalizations?

...we are SO screwed..

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right, because stay the course is so specific...

You two still haven't convinced me what Obama plans to do, if he's elected. All I've heard, is a bunch of empty talk.

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can you give me an example of how specific you want me to be; maybe pull up an example of another candidate's plan and I'll see if I can tell you how Obama's is different at that same level of detail

You must be the twistiest member of this forum. Tell me this, what has Mccain planned for your United States? I have given you specifics in previous posts, but you refuse to accept them! You simply pass them off as "meaningless rhetorics" or just ignore them. There comes a time when a person can put up no more with blatant ignorance, and with that I end my participation on this thread because of your inability to accept a fair argument.

We're not talking about McCain. We're talking about Obama, and whether or not you really know what he plans to DO, in the White House. "Feel good" talk isn't enough. What laws does he want to pass? What bills is he planning to put before congress? What do those bills mean for ALL Americans, not just the poor, poor pitiful poor.

This isn't a fair argument, because you're not providing answers to my questions. This isn't about "say, say, say," this is about "do, do, do."

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Here, let me explain what Obama plans to do, it's the same thing Hillary Clinton plans to do. Lure the people of America into backing them with promises of socialized health care, and then do nothing to pursue this goal. Next they will cater to big business (1% of the population of the U.S. owns 40% of the countries assets). This will come at the expense of the poor and middle classes, as well as the U.S. infrastucture, economy, and environment. The 400+ billion dollars spent annually on our military capabilities will continue while programs to help those in need will come up far short of what is necessary. Why, in one of the most prosperous nations in the world do we come up short when it comes to providing medical care, housing, and food to so many. I think it's time that we create a new Political party, one that actually listens to the majority. And as far as the belief that the "underprivileged" waste away their money on cell phones, and trips to the nail salon. Makes a ton of sense except the cost of decent insurance for a family of 3 in the U.S. is roughly $1200.00 a month for a decent plan, and even if you take the median family income in the U.S. which is $46,000.00/year a family would have to expend 1/3 of it's annual income per year just on medical expenses. Sounds reasonable, guess most families will have to live in a box so they can afford fast food, cell phones, and nails on top of Insurance as most American families do not even make the median income.

If you actually paid attention to his platform, his version of health care does not mandate it for anyone - therefore not socialized. All he does is provide subsidies for those that can't afford health care, like me. Hillary on the other hand wants to force me to have health care - I don't like being forced to do anything. You have no facts to back up your assertion that Obama is the same as everyone else. So while your post does bring up good points: "The 400+ billion dollars spent annually on our military capabilities will continue while programs to help those in need will come up far short of what is necessary. Why, in one of the most prosperous nations in the world do we come up short when it comes to providing medical care, housing, and food to so many," I think it falls short on substance. Wait haven't we heard that somewhere before?