How can you call it a democratic government when you refuse to seat the Florida delegates who came out and voted in spite of being told their votes would not matter?

If they are not going to use those votes, then they need to allow a new primary and start seating that up immediately and quick talking about it!

No wonder the republicans hold democrats in such contempt and ridicule. Look at how they have screwed up what should have been a cakewalk to victory in '08.

This was perhaps the easiest and surest Democratic win in decades! And what does the stupid democratic party do? First, they put this dumb proportianate delegate scheme into action, THEN they decide to PUNISH Florida and Michigan like some sort of Dictatorship in punishment for pushing up their primary calendar.

The republicans had the good sense to only strip their party of half of those states and at least allowed the elections to go ahead and count. Dum dum Dems stripped them all. You would have thought, that they should have foreseen the situation that is now playing out, that is that two candidates might continue to split the delegates and without Fla. and Michigan would therefore NEVER be able to reach the required # of delegates to get the nomination.

How could the party NOT see this as a good chance of happening. Now they're running around wringing their hands, holding secret meetings etc. What a bunch of nincompoops!

Its enough to make an intelligent voter change parties or just become an independant. It is so frustrating...infuriating.

THEY MUST ALLOW THE VOTES CAST IN JAN. TO COUNT OR PAY FOR AND HOLD A RE-VOTE.

If you break the rules...while everyone else plays fair...should your votes count?

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I picked to use the votes as is... but with the condition that all non-Clinton delegates are given to Obama. It sucks, but it's the best of many bad choices.

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Why should non-Clinton votes be given to Obama?

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Because it's pretty obvious the Uncommitted votes were intended as anti-Clinton votes.
This may not work as well in Florida.

It's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but look at the other choices (I gave a better description in Metrophobe's thread on the topic- the one that says something about spaghetti westerns).

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I don't agree. I don't think anyone knows who's Edward's voters would go for. Now however, if Fla. is given the choice between the two final nominees, it will have more of a say in the process than did the states before Fla.

I see it as a bit risky for Clinton. If you are right, and all Edward voters now vote for Obama, she will not do as well or may end up with yet another near draw and then Fla. will not really help. If Michigan is also a near draw, then we are back to waiting to see what the superdelagates do and the squablling continues.

I'm sure both camps must have by now, hired some pollster to give them an idea of who would do better in both those states. Whichever camp shows a real resistance to a re-vote there will give us a good clue as to how such a poll turned out.

The whole primary system is pretty messed up and in obvious need of an overhaul. The only sensible solution at this point is to do nothing. Everyone was forewarned before the date was moved up, and party officials were given the choice of holding a later caucus and have the votes counted, or an early, but meaningless primary.

What was a great deal for Hillary at first has turned around and bit her in the behind. Too bad for her, but she doesn't get to decide the rules.

For those who don't know Obama didn't even put his name on both the Ballots. So using the votes as it would be....a bit off.

It looks questionable if there is money to run a second primary.

Also using the votes as in would cause them to get away with their little move. If states are allowed to move up their primary in order to be earlier I look forward to the 2014 democratic primaries.

I must admit to finding all this kind of funny. Right now the biggest question in the democratic race is wherether it's going to be decided by superdelegates or whatever committee works out this situation.

since the dnc wants to use their money for the general election and the states dont want to pay for a new election so a new election in those states is unlikely if the party decides to put the states delegates into play they should at least cut the delegate number in half. the state broke the parties rules they decided on and that shoudnt go unpunished

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If you're going to assess who should pay based on fault, then Florida should pay.

I understand why the Fla. governer first said they'd pay for a re-do and now he's not willing to pay for it. What changed?>