McCain is a nice guy who will go down to a nice defeat in November, followed by a nice polite retirement.

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the right wing nuts are too cheap to support him, using the assinine excuse that he is not conservative enough, just like Hannity and Limpabawls taught them.

Hey, that wasn't nice!

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I like both Obama and McCain, and the way they both run respectful campaigns. Both men, while partially tied to their party, are willing to venture across the aisle in the name of positive change.

I pray we can have an Obama vs. McCain general election, as either way, I would be fairly happy with the winner. Both men are like me: social liberals and fiscal conservatives who want to lower taxes on the poor and are willing to go against their political party to do what is right for the people.

While both men would make decent presidents due to their ability to connect with both sides of the political spectrum, I'm voting for Obama because he really hits the soul when he speaks, and has a practical solution for most of the nations most pressing problems (he'll be ready to go from day one). McCain, while I think he's a good guy, comes out flat and uninspiring. While it wouldn't hurt us to have Mccain as president, Obama has so much more potential to be the turning point we need to steer away from the disaster we're currently headed towards (with the increasing wars, distance between rich and poor, and cost of health care and living expenses).

But I still respect McCain; he simply doesn't possess Obama's political talent, fresh ideas, or ability to galvanize the masses to force Congress towards positive change.

This is a man who needs to lead 300 million people while negotiating with Congress to enact the will of those people; and unlike the other candidates, Obama has shown us the appropriate skills set to meet the challenge.

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I ask again. Can anyone give me one instance in which Barack ventured across he aisle?

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From Wikipedia:

In 2005, he co-sponsored the "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act" introduced by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ).[57]

57. ^ U.S. Senate, 109th Congress, 1st Session. "S. 1033, Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act", Thomas, May 12, 2005. Retrieved on 2008-01-14.
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In September 2006, Obama supported a related bill, the Secure Fence Act, authorizing construction of fencing and other security improvements along the United States–Mexico border.[59]

59. ^ "Latinos Upset Obama Voted for Border Fence", CBS 2 (Chicago), November 20, 2006. Retrieved on 2008-01-14.
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Partnering first with Sen. Dick Lugar (R-IN), and then with Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK), Obama successfully introduced two initiatives bearing his name. "Lugar-Obama" expands the Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines.[62] [63] [64]

62. ^ U.S. Senate, 109th Congress, 2nd Session. "S. 2566, Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006", Thomas, May 25, 2006. Retrieved on 2008-01-14.
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Obama's energy initiatives scored pluses and minuses with environmentalists, who welcomed his sponsorship with John McCain (R-AZ) of a climate change bill to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by two-thirds by 2050, but were skeptical of his support for a bill promoting liquefied coal production.[73]

73. ^ H. Josef, Hebert. "Congress Begins Tackling Climate Issues", Associated Press, CBS News, January 29, 2007. Retrieved on 2008-01-14. Williamson, Elizabeth. "The Green Gripe With Obama: Liquefied Coal Is Still... Coal", Washington Post, January 10, 2007. Retrieved on 2008-01-14.
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Later in 2007, Obama sponsored with Kit Bond (R-MO) an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for a review by the Government Accountability Office following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs.[75] He sponsored the "Iran Sanctions Enabling Act" supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran's oil and gas industry,[76] and joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism.[77]

75. ^ "Obama, Bond Hail New Safeguards on Military Personality Disorder Discharges, Urge Further Action", Kit Bond U.S. Senate Office, October 1, 2007. Retrieved on 2008-01-14. See also: Dine, Philip. "Bond Calls for Review of Military Discharges", St. Louis Post-Dispatch, December 23, 2007. Retrieved on 2008-02-11.
76. ^ U.S. Senate, 110th Congress, 1st Session. "S. 1430, Iran Sanctions Enabling Act", Thomas, May 17, 2007. Retrieved on 2008-01-14. See also: Graham-Silverman, Adam. "Despite Flurry of Action in House, Congress Unlikely to Act Against Iran", CQ Today, September 12, 2007. Retrieved on 2008-01-14.
77. ^ a b "Obama, Schiff Provision to Create Nuclear Threat Reduction Plan Approved", Barack Obama U.S. Senate Office, December 20, 2007. Retrieved on 2008-01-14.


For having such little experience, Obama appears to have worked extensively with republicans and John McCain in particular, appearing as co-sponsor on two bills with him.

I appreciate the effort, Rod. One problem though. Those are not instances of Barack crossing the aisle. Joining in cosponsoring a liberal piece of legislation like the McCain-Kennedy bill simply doesn't doesn't qualify. There was no compromise or meeting halfway. McCain did all the "venturing across the aisle" and he got in trouble for it because it was not the conservative thing to do. You don't get credit for working with the other side when the other side does everything you want them to do. AFAIK, Barack has been consistently liberal on every vote he's made.

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Nevertheless he did work with republicans on many of the bills he's sponsored. If anything, Obama has remained true to his goals whereas McCain has seemed to suspiciously shift to conservatives, given his cooperation with the "most liberal senator" in congress.

You're right about McCain shifting. If the democrats were running anyone other than a far left liberal, I'd expect McCain to lose.

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Too bad Al Gore decided not to run - I think he would have been a good fit.